The Conspiracy To Get People To Work

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posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 11:39 AM
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So it was a scam and now its your parents fault? If you don't need it, don't claim it. Its one thing to be in a situation where you need the support network/safety net but if your just taking the piss and scrounging then your just laughing in the face of the hard working masses.

Everyone else is paying for your scam. Can't you understand why people take issue with it?




posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by FissionSurplus
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I used to work for mental health. If you're in a group home and have a caseworker, then perhaps you are where you're supposed to be.

However, if everybody did as you are doing, there would be no SS taxes feeding into the system you claim you're smart enough to use. No group home, no caseworkers, and no more free money from the gubmint.

There have to be people to be out there working, to prop up the system you're enjoying so freely.

I personally enjoy being an adult. To be stuck in a group home, with a caseworker, caregivers and guardians to tell me what to do and when to do it, how to spend my money, what I'm going to eat, etc., would be pure torture for me, and for many on this site. Because you find this a form of freedom, you most likely need the help. In a sense, you are a job creator. There are probably 4 -5 government employees that are working a low-paying, rather thankless job, requiring a degree, so that you can kick back and ride the gravy train to nowhere.


They let us help pick out what to eat sometimes at this group home. And they can't tell you what to do... From caregivers to guardians. None of them can tell me what to do. Long as I take my medication at this group home they can't send me back to the hospital. They do however have a curfew at these group homes. Since I've been on good behaviour my case manager thinks it's about time for me to move on. As in, thinks it's OK for me to live in an apartment now that they'll set me up in soon enough.

And they damn sure don't tell you how to spend your money unless your illness is severe. I'm high functioning. A term you should know if you've worked in mental health before. I do lots of thing independently in this group home.

But I do dislike this group home I'm now at. But the good news is I'm about to move out. My case manager is writing up a referral for me this week so that I can go live in an apartment that my guardians (which are my parents) OK for me to.



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 11:48 AM
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WarJohn....thumbs up to you for using your OP to make the opposite point. Clever.



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by Sissel

Originally posted by WarJohn


Dont blame me, blame my parents for contually kicking me out of the house.

This is my pay back on life.


How do you go from your parents kicking you out of the house to being mentally ill?

Did they have a reason to kick you out, because say, you were mentally ill?

Why don't you just wrap up a turd and send it to them in the mail, rather than take it out on everybody else?

Once you have an SMI diagnosis, it sticks with you the rest of your life, just in case you might want to reconsider some time down the road.


I know the label will stick. I have no problem with that. I wont go into the military anyway. And at least if a draft comes I'll be draft free. I look at the bright side of it.

It's a long story on my parents in what they'd do with me. They made me paranoid of them with good reason. In turn I got labeled for sharing the tale with a psychiatrist. I am glad I have the label also because it can help me stay out of prison if I end up killing somebody.



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by Grifter81
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So it was a scam and now its your parents fault? If you don't need it, don't claim it. Its one thing to be in a situation where you need the support network/safety net but if your just taking the piss and scrounging then your just laughing in the face of the hard working masses.

Everyone else is paying for your scam. Can't you understand why people take issue with it?


I had the oppurtunity to not take SSI but I couldnt resist since my parents kept kicking me out.

All I can say is the world is not my friend so why would I care to mot take advantage of the world of people who work and pay taxes?



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 11:59 AM
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I'm sorry you've had a hard time of it. At the end of the day mate it's your life and your personal choice how you live it. Personally I feel better earning a crust, you might too if you tried It?

If not then carry on, but watch you don't get caught. Get caught scamming and you may just have to pay all those benefits back to the state.

Good luck to you mate.



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 01:24 PM
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Personally this isn't something that I would do - but I do see the point being made. When I was a kid growing up in Britain, it was almost unheard of to have your mum working. Now.....get a job, doesn't matter how crappy the pay is, that there are no benefits, work your ass off then die. That's it. I went on a different route. Neither myself nor my husband have 'worked' for years, I do get some gov money but that's because I have young kids and everyone with young kids get it. I have 1.5 acres and most everything we eat comes from it. We don't have hi-def plasma TV's in every room, no iphone, also no mortgage or rent. Paid it off years ago. Completely debt free. There's always money to be made here and there. Might not be a fortune, but it pays the bills. In fact looking around friends and family, we probably have more disposable income than most. You don't have to be a job slave, there are options. It might take a big change to get there, but it's doable if you really want it.



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 04:12 PM
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How the hell can this post get SEVEN flags? Another one for the rectal black hole, me thinks!



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 04:14 PM
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I think it is clear this guy is in denial about his situation. He has got a mental illness and he is trying to pass it of as him just doing a scam.



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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Blame the Freemasons!


The Only way they can stay "Free" is to keep YOU working!
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posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 04:44 PM
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edit: double post.
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posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by Bixxi3
I think it is clear this guy is in denial about his situation. He has got a mental illness and he is trying to pass it of as him just doing a scam.


Actually I am a little paranoid as I already stated. How do they find out you are paranoid? From what you tell them. Meaning, your life is in your hands. You can tell them anything. And so this is how one is to ensure being diagnosed with some kind of mental illness. Understand how I didnt have to let the psychiatrist in on a tale that would make me seem paranoid. Understand that!

Survival is no scam. Getting by in life is no scam. If getting by means doing what you got to do, then by all means do what you got to do to get by. Be smart in life. Don't work harder, work smarter. A lesson learned from the cartoon Ducktales. I'm not friends with the world, so I don't look out for the world. I can care less if the world aids my SSI benefits through taxes. Who makes friends with the world is a sucker. At least I don't have to fight somebody else's war since I've been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. If a draft ever comes it is then you'll then realize I am one smart motherlover.

Oh and by the way...

I just met with my case manager today. He put in the referral for me to stay in an apartment and get also food assistance. I'll be out this wack group home in no time. Only thing I like about this group home is the free wi-fi hotspot.

And don't get it twisted, I'm not paranoid of anything or anyone online. So to you guys I should be looked at and treated as sane than a mother.

There is a conspiracy to get people to work and I see through it.
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posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 04:45 PM
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Good in a way for you OP. The system sucks so bad it is not even funny money wise. I have been thinking if taking a year of but since my work is at least somewhat stimulating tackling technical problems I still go at it. But the wage really suck and the demand to learn thing offhour is insane.

It is more important to work with managing money or people than solving things or creating things nowdays when you look at the pay it brings.

So you can play around with bookkeeping and talk about stocks (good at manipulation of other people) or be a poletician, but do really not produce anything->$$$$$$$$$$. So you can understand higher degree of mathematics and solve logical problems ->$$$$. So you are a loving person that likes to take care of old people and be there for them->$$$.



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 04:57 PM
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If I wanted to not work atall and still live very comfortably, I'd become a Politician...



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 04:59 PM
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Every animal provides for his own existence. We would indeed be working if we were still in tribes. Life isn't a conspiracy.



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 05:20 PM
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Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day
Teach a man to fish and he'll WORK for a lifetime



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 05:23 PM
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That is my take on this thread too

It's pretty scary if normal people could behave like this



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by pillock
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That is my take on this thread too

It's pretty scary if normal people could behave like this


Behave like what?

I'm a pretty wild person in real life. Has nothing to do with dianoses either.



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by Shuzitzu
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If I wanted to not work atall and still live very comfortably, I'd become a Politician...


If you can and you don't, you're an idiot.



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 06:48 PM
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In my eyes the problem is that most jobs are alienating us from our vocation. In German a job is called "Beruf" and vocation is "Berufung". I am convinced that anybody sane wants to contribute something productive to their communities. There may be years of introspection, sabbaticals, long term travels or recoveries from burn-out and diseases that keep us away from working. But at the end almost everybody tends to come back to activities that reflect their vocation.

Now there are several aspects to consider.

One is that many activities like taking care of elderly or children in a private setting is mostly unpaid and not honored by performance and money driven societey. Also being an artist or modern day shaman / lightworker means having a hard stand in our materialistic society.

Another is that even a 40 hour week is already too much work in the long run. I have heard the statement that it is not possible to live ecologically with such a workload. I also think that especially in these days, where society is called to make a huge step in consciousness, we need more time for contemplation in order to reflect our actions.

I may be a little to naive, but I often think that native tribes have a much better concept of "work". Work outside of being and doing whatever you are should in my eyes be abandoned. I read work in indigenous tribes means being active for 4-5 hours a day according to ones nature/vocation to maintain oneself and the community - the rest is "leisure" time.

The whole subjects is about extrinsic and intrinsic motivation to create something productive. I for my part try to let more and more "working" activities be inspired intrinsically. I think that is the only really sustainable way. And it doesn't mean avoiding unpleasant tasks.

There is a huge movement, at least in Europe, that proposes the "Basic Income". The idea behind is that we have already reached the point in human and civilization development where we could afford to pay everybody a basic salary WITHOUT conditions. Simply by spending that amount of money - enough to live a standard, simple life - the economy will continue running. Only few people would anyway be satisfied with that, most people would want to satisfy insatiable material desires and try to make more money. So no worries that the world will stop to turn. Of course the low-paid jobs would disappear - but that could be a good thing as low-paid work mentioned above would then have to be paid properly. Interestingly enough the most know proponent of that "Basic Income" in Germany is the owner of a huge drug store chain with thousands of employees, and not a socialist, extreme-left anarcho type of hippie punk.

My personal conclusion to the problem of work is to kindle my social entrepreneurial spirit. To pull something up that will be useful for others and/or for Mother Earth. Money is not in the center, money will come automatically. That is a vision that makes me wake up everyday and work with a lot of joy as it is a means of self-expression. I am not there yet, but working my way towards that goal.

Conspiracy of work? Maybe. If you look into the history of industrialization people needed to be forced to work, they needed to be taught to work as it was and is not natural to play the cog wheel in the machinery for 8-12 hours a day. Therefore I am sometimes a little surprised how vigorously certain groups that I naturally symphatize with defend old concepts of work.

In Sanskrit work means "karma" and Karma Yoga is one way to englightment. Enlightment through Work. Something to reflect on, maybe tomorrow while at work

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