Originally posted by cypherite
I'm okay with those who honestly believe theres a different, better way to achieve that which things like elections make them think theyre achieving:
positve (if slow)change for the better, the opportunity to have some control in affecting the state of ones nation. Thats just not the vibe I get from
the likes of the OP Carlin and many of the others. It's just talking about how people are fools for thinking they have any hope or control, and in
such a sickeningly mocking way, with thinly veiled contempt at the common man. Also a attitude I notice in this thread is one that I would consider
controversial for me to argue against: this treating of truth and reality as something of intrinsic value, something that either needs to be known for
its own sake or the knowledge of it makes you somehow superior, even if said truth has no other value. I've developed a philosophy against this
notion but thats for a rant/essay i plan on making (someday I hope) which will elaborate on this.
I'm new to this site so I am not yet aware of the general attitudes of the people who post their opinions but if it's like most forums, it will be a
mix of people who contribute - sensible, intelligent people who have a genuine need to discuss ideas without resorting to slurs or insults, and those
who obtain pleasure by being overly-controversial or violent in thought. Of course here, I imagine there will also be those who are angry. Angry at
what is happening in this world, at what they are reading about or hearing and seeing, so it's natural that some of that anger will spill out into
posts - purposely or not. I guess everybody is different in how they process information and then deal with it in their writing.
I think I sense mostly frustration in some people - it seems so obvious to most of us that the elite/governments etc of this world are up to no good
at all and to see everyone around us so unaware of the dangers, it's very annoying. I don't think that's necessarily an annoyance at those
people, just that we can't find a way of persuading them of the things we have discovered. Of course, we may be wrong ourselves; we cannot be
arrogant to assume that we are so right about everything, but in some cases at least, we have a pretty strong idea we are in the right direction with
our instincts about certain topics.
The last point you make, about whether it is worth even knowing this stuff and the value of it made me think. Sometimes, I wonder if it would be so
bad if I was living in the blissfully ignorant state like so many do, trusting our leaders and hoping they are doing the best they can for us. But I
don't even see that kind of trust in them
nowadays - even they
kind of know something
is wrong. It just hasn't occurred to them
to investigate that bit further like we have. I don't blame them - so much of what I've learned about the truths of this world are so nightmarish
and sickening, I'm surprised I can still smile at times!
If anyone thinks it's worth being enlightened, just to feel superior, it's a waste of knowledge and their own time I feel. It doesn't mean you are
better than those who are unaware, just a little more open-minded...... or more prone to paranoia!
So, as I said, I thought of what you said and in my opinion, I think the value of knowing all this (or what we've learned so far), is that we can use
it to avoid some of the traps that are being set for the masses. I know there are many things which we cannot run from (terrifyingly), but on subjects
like GMO, vaccinations or, going back to the topic of this thread, the machinations of politics, we can use the information accrued for our own
benefit. Ignorance may be bliss, but it could cost us our health or even our lives.
By the way, the planned rant/essay sounds like it could make interesting reading - I like to look at things from all angles!