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Originally posted by natalia
reply to post by randyvs
You are hilarious!!
So funny how everyone's going so crazy on people who choose not to vote.
I didn't vote. I have a right not too.
I'm bout done with people saying if you don't vote, you can't complain!! Hah!
I sure can. I have a right too in all this corruption. But people seem to still have their eyes closed.
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
reply to post by trysts
Sorry to jump in, but you made 2 errors.
1. What evidence do you have that this is a 'fraud' election? Just because you said so? Then can I call you a fraud, or pervert, or anything dirty, afterall, NO evidences seemed to be required.
2. As you had already abrogated your right to vote - the system whereby your voice is heard to make changes, then what right do you have to criticize the system that you had fully relinquished all rights to?
By all means, you are free to talk, just like anyone else,, but NOT as a citizen, for you had refused to accept your very basic responsibility to society by not voting. You made that choice on your own free will, and now sadly, you lost your credibilty and will have to live with the consequences. It is your life, not anyone elses to suffer.edit on 6-11-2012 by SeekerofTruth101 because: (no reason given)
American elections for the P.O.T.U.S. are a fraud of choice,
Presidency aside,
2. Voting is a power, and with power comes responsibilities - to oneself and to others sharing the same space, same country and world. Ignore voting and you only abrogate your responsibility as a mature adult.
Originally posted by sdcigarpig
reply to post by trysts
Here is the thing Trysts:
Not voting cause you believe it is a fraud, then get the laws changed. Get the evidence and back it up, cause ultimately that is how you get such changed for the better. Sitting back and not voting, cause you think it is a waste of time, well it is the same as sitting back and complaining about a problem and not doing anything about it. I think it is foolish and ultimately does nothing constructive.
And if you do not participate in a process where doing such could have changed an outcome, is a choice, but at the same time it is wrong to complain about the outcome, if you do nothing. And not voting ultimately is the same as doing nothing. And if you do not participate, then you really should not be complaining cause it does not go your way. Laws get onto the books through non participation.
Let me ask you this: Are you going to sit around and not vote if they decide to remove your right to own a gun? Are you going to just sit there and complain when the police knock on your door and do a search and complain that the law was unfair? Would it matter if it passed by say 1 vote, or 10 or 100 or even 1000?
History is loaded with examples of where 1 vote made a difference. Think on this:
1 vote gave Oliver Cromwell control of England, cost King Charles I of England his head, places King George I on the throne of England. 1 vote elected Thomas Jefferson, John Quincy Adams into the office of President, admitted Texas, California and Oregon into the United States. 1 vote saved President Jackson from being removed from office. 1 Vote elected Hitler into position. In 1994, the U.S. House of Representatives enacted a law banning specific classes of assault weapons. The vote was initially tied but one member changed his vote to approve the ban. Bills proposing amendment to the U. S. Constitution require a 2/3's vote of each House in order to be approved. When the balanced budget amendment bill came before the U.S. Senate in March, 1995, the measure failed by one vote — Mark Hatfield, Republican from Oregon, was the sole Republican failing to vote with other members of the Republican Party which was the majority party of the U.S. Senators. When it became apparent the measure would fail, Senate Republican Whip Bob Dole changed his vote to enable him to bring the matter back up under parliamentary rules for a vote in the future.
Originally posted by ArrowsNV
160 years of nothing but Democrats & Republicans and look where it has landed us...
I think we need to try a new approach and see where that takes us because obviously neither party has done us that well in those 160 years or even in the past 12...
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by trysts
American elections for the P.O.T.U.S. are a fraud of choice,
Funny how there is hardly even an argument against this fact. Even the guy doing the registration outside of home depot agreed. Yet people will still flock like sheeple.
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Drunkenparrot
Presidency aside,
Unbelievable ! ( shakes head turns and kicks rocks )edit on 6-11-2012 by randyvs because: (no reason given)
Do you have the capability in your country to show up at the polls and officially decline your vote? It is then registered as such in this country. If you can, and you don't...then who's the sheep?
Originally posted by randyvs
...Yet people will still flock like sheeple.
Originally posted by natalia
reply to post by randyvs
You are hilarious!!
So funny how everyone's going so crazy on people who choose not to vote.
I didn't vote. I have a right not too.
I'm bout done with people saying if you don't vote, you can't complain!! Hah!
I sure can. I have a right too in all this corruption. But people seem to still have their eyes closed.
I have a right too in all this corruption.
people seem to still have their eyes closed
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
reply to post by trysts
Sorry to jump in, but you made 2 errors.
1. What evidence do you have that this is a 'fraud' election? Just because you said so? Then can I call you a fraud, or pervert, or anything dirty, afterall, NO evidences seemed to be required.
2. As you had already abrogated your right to vote - the system whereby your voice is heard to make changes, then what right do you have to criticize the system that you had fully relinquished all rights to?
By all means, you are free to talk, just like anyone else,, but NOT as a citizen, for you had refused to accept your very basic responsibility to society by not voting. You made that choice on your own free will, and now sadly, you lost your credibilty and will have to live with the consequences. It is your life, not anyone elses to suffer.edit on 6-11-2012 by SeekerofTruth101 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck
Maintain as you will Johnny. I don't want to sway you of your opinion and I know you won't sway me one damned bit either. Everything you mentioned is completely unattainable or just plain absiud in the expectancy of change.
So dream on as you will.
Agree to disagree ?
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck
Fair enough. You guys are our cousins and we pay attention to what happens in your house.
Idea's like inalienable rights are difficult concepts for even educated scholars to define and it takes honest effort for the average laymen, like you or I, to fully comprehend.
Inalienable right refers to rights that cannot be surrendered, sold or transferred to someone else, especially a natural right such as the right to own property. However, these rights can be transferred with the consent of the person possessing those rights. Inalienable is defined as incapable of being surrendered or transferred; at least without one's consent.[Morrison v. State, 252 S.W.2d 97, 101 (Mo. Ct. App. 1952)]. A person can surrender, sell or transfer inalienable rights by actual or constructive consent.
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck
Fair enough. You guys are our cousins and we pay attention to what happens in your house.