People that make these claims about how half the people pay no taxes, people are poor because they are lazy, people without a job simply refuse to work, etc. are evil, greedy, ignorant, retarded, and are a cancer upon society.

They don't actually need the TV or talk radio to tell it to them, since they already believe it because they are so greedy and so petty. And of course the vast majority of the people that say these things were either born with a silver spoon or they have lived their whole life being funded by the government, or both. Especially the rich people that say these things, as almost all of them are bankrolled by corporate fascism.

Bottom line, people that blame the poor for the problems today are sociopaths and psychopaths. The problem is that a very large portion of the population are sociopaths and psychopaths.

All of the problems we see today are because we continue to live above our means as it was needed and a right. But the possibility of us having all these things comes from the enslavement of someone poorer, greed is the enemy of the sustainability of all humanity. I think greed must almost be removed completely for happiness of all, unfortunately that makes it impossible to have all these fun things we have, computers and so on. Call me a hypocrite, which I am, as I have not yet given up greed as I've become so accustomed to it, we have lost touch with reality and sadly it cannot last forever.

Totally agree here.

I'm not poor because I am too lazy to work.

I am poor because I require a very minimal amount of currency to live a happy and productive life.

I just wish others would get the picture.

Originally posted by AceWombat04
Is it not a myth anyway that people can stay on welfare "forever?" Isn't there a limit that can vary from state to state, but is typically five years lifetime total? SSI is another matter, but that's for disabled people. It's true that there are people who cheat the system and benefit unduly, but outside of SSI isn't welfare limited?

Peace.

Lifetime totals do not count if you have a minor child, nor do they count for children until they reach majority.

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by AceWombat04
Is it not a myth anyway that people can stay on welfare "forever?" Isn't there a limit that can vary from state to state, but is typically five years lifetime total? SSI is another matter, but that's for disabled people. It's true that there are people who cheat the system and benefit unduly, but outside of SSI isn't welfare limited?

Peace.

Lifetime totals do not count if you have a minor child, nor do they count for children until they reach majority.

Well, no, of course not if they have a child and are below a feasible income to support themselves and said child. I don't personally have any qualms with that being the case. I know there are people who cheat the system by having children... but since I can't automatically assume everyone is doing that (having grown up in a family that welfare kept off the street - most of the time - myself) I don't know what to do about that specifically. I'd rather have the program for those who need it, than squash it because of those who abuse it. Though, of course, ideally there should be a way to address both problems.

On the other hand, if we did that, and the people who were ostensibly cheating the system or abusing the system in question still didn't work for whatever reason, even though they were on the street and their children were suffering, then I would argue that mental illness was at work, and that they still qualified for assistance. It's a big, nuanced, confusing mess. But a necessary one imo. I know that's not a popular point of view though, and I respect differing opinions.

Peace.

I concur.

There is so much sorrow on the bottom, (Which could be us) and all those on top laughing at us for being poor.

If they want to make a difference, why don't they come down to us, in the low level area?

In this headline 'grammar' is !

Originally posted by 11235813213455
The only way most the the poor stop bring poor is if they face the hard truths of why they are poor. If they do an HONEST review of the decisions they made in their life leading up to their current financial situation 99% of the time they come to 2 realizations.

1) The decisions they made for themselves have led to their current status.
2) As long as they keep making these same kinds of decisions they will be no better off in the future.

Of course their are exceptions to the stated (mental and physical disabilities, those with sickness, those that have been injured). One would expect them to be poor. Able bodied correct thinking people should not and that's most the poor. And dont give me any blow-back about the working poor. If you are 40 and still barley making over minimum wage you've made some bad decisions or are currently caught up in a viscous cycle of bad decisions.

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I'm in the UK but no doubt your "reasoning" applies to those on welfare here as well. Guess what I was unemployed for 14 months back in 2009-2010 right in the middle of an economic crash where I HAD NO INFLUENCE WHATSOEVER. Prior to that I had been in CONTINUOUS employment for 30 years. I paid more tax in the last 2 months than I ever received on welfare. WELFARE IS SOUL DESTROYING as the vast majority will tell you. it is ONLY a small MINORITY that "live their lives" on welfare. In order to survive I had tap into pensions with the end result that instead of retiring at 55 and freeing up a "space" for someone else I will now have to work well past 65.

Why has this happened? Because the company I worked for was taken over by a private equity firm who used the company to avoid paying tax on over 12 BILLION DOLLARS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! F...ing thieves. I had NO INFLUENCE WHATSOVER over that takeover.

You sir, are typical of the clueless right wing too afraid to admit being wrong by looking in the direction of the thieving rich who are the real reason why people are poor.

NB NO economy has limitless resources (which is contrary to capitalist theory). ALL economies have limited resources this means income MUST be fairly distributed (but not evenly by the way). The politics of the right are totally against this bleedin obvious conclusion.

I grew up having to wear one pair of shoes all year even when they had holes in them and were falling apart.

I grew up wearing my brothers old hand me down clothes from the previous year while kids in school made fun of me.

I grew up in a single wide trailer with a hot water heater that lasted long enough for one person to take 3/4 of a shower.

I grew up wearing wet clothes to school if it rained and got one of my 3 pair of pants wet that would not dry on a rainy day.

I grew up dirt ass poor and fought my way to the top of a sucessful career.

I started making more money than my mother when I was 19 years old and double by time I was 23.

My mother worked her tail off raising me and my two brothers and never collected welfare or food stamps even when we were eating bologna sammichs and vegtable soup 3-4 times a week or going to someone elses house.

The problem is now people can still work their butts off and still not be able to make the simplist ends meet like food, water, shelter and clothing.

The system has failed us all and most of you are TOO DUMB to notice what is going on because your to busy fighting amoungst yourselves to prove that your point of view is right whether you think everyone is lazy or born with a golden spoon in your mouth.

UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL -
Say that to yourself over and over until it actually sinks in.

Or you could just continue to argue back and forth saying the same thing but a little different depending on where you are in the game at the time this is written.

You sir, are typical of the clueless right wing too afraid to admit being wrong by looking in the direction of the thieving rich who are the real reason why people are poor.

Codswallop. The Rich are not rich on the backs of the poor. This isn't 1837. The poor don't have any money! You cant take blood from a turnip. The Poor most people are talking about are the ones who stay on Public assistance FOREVER. The Rich don't have anything to do with them. They are literally leaches sucking on the tax payers. I don't think any Republican I know has any problem with Unemployment (paid by insurance btw) nor Public assistance as long as it is not FOREVER. So stop making straw man arguments. You feel guilty for beign out of work and blame rich people? I understand that, but don't then make such a broad generalization. Your saying A + B = Hot Dogs It just doesn't make sense.

V

The "poor" aren't the enemy. The policies that create permanent dependency are. The propaganda that demonizes success is. The worship of victimization is. The elite who are trying to eradicate the middle class by expanding their federal plantation are the enemy.
Yes, socialism/progressivism is the enemy. The poor are merely useful subjects.
Historically, it is very common for the elite class to enlist the lower class and/or minorities in engaging against any independent threat to their power.
Of course, they pretend it is based on "compassion." But mental and financial enslavement don't equate to compassion to me. Prefer to get my own food than take the free crumbs from the billionaire table.

Originally posted by SucksMulder
Without the poor there is no rich.

This is the tragic constant of capitalism.

See, it is this crap that makes me nervous at the thought of Obama getting a second term. You know he eats, sleeps and breathes that kind of baloney.

As to this thread, there is nothing wrong with society giving people a helping hand.....to those who really want to move forward, to be productive. But there is a huge percentage of those who don't want to do that....and I know a lot of you out there simply can't accept that, or even see it.

Originally posted by Red Cloak
People that make these claims about how half the people pay no taxes, people are poor because they are lazy, people without a job simply refuse to work, etc. are evil, greedy, ignorant, retarded, and are a cancer upon society.

They don't actually need the TV or talk radio to tell it to them, since they already believe it because they are so greedy and so petty. And of course the vast majority of the people that say these things were either born with a silver spoon or they have lived their whole life being funded by the government, or both. Especially the rich people that say these things, as almost all of them are bankrolled by corporate fascism.

Bottom line, people that blame the poor for the problems today are sociopaths and psychopaths. The problem is that a very large portion of the population are sociopaths and psychopaths.

edit on 6-11-2012 by Red Cloak because: (no reason given)

Oh look, yet another liberal minded individual who thinks they have the market cornered in morality.

You might as well mark me in as one of those psychos.....too bad the liberal education system is churning out kids with this type of mindset.

Originally posted by knowledgedesired
I grew up having to wear one pair of shoes all year even when they had holes in them and were falling apart.

I grew up wearing my brothers old hand me down clothes from the previous year while kids in school made fun of me.

I grew up in a single wide trailer with a hot water heater that lasted long enough for one person to take 3/4 of a shower.

I grew up wearing wet clothes to school if it rained and got one of my 3 pair of pants wet that would not dry on a rainy day.

I grew up dirt ass poor and fought my way to the top of a sucessful career.

I started making more money than my mother when I was 19 years old and double by time I was 23.

My mother worked her tail off raising me and my two brothers and never collected welfare or food stamps even when we were eating bologna sammichs and vegtable soup 3-4 times a week or going to someone elses house.

The problem is now people can still work their butts off and still not be able to make the simplist ends meet like food, water, shelter and clothing.

The system has failed us all and most of you are TOO DUMB to notice what is going on because your to busy fighting amoungst yourselves to prove that your point of view is right whether you think everyone is lazy or born with a golden spoon in your mouth.

UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL -
Say that to yourself over and over until it actually sinks in.

Or you could just continue to argue back and forth saying the same thing but a little different depending on where you are in the game at the time this is written.

edit on 6-11-2012 by knowledgedesired because: (no reason given)

I quoted you just so others could see this again. As I have said before, I can only hope those hell bent on dividing and conquering themselves are of the minority; just as those people abusing the system are the minority.

Thanks for such an insightful post.

Originally posted by guitarplayer

Originally posted by solidguy
The poor are not the enemy.

The enemy is the government that enables them, and makes it comfortable to be poor.

Obamaphones, food stamps, welfare, earned income tax credits, etc...are all actions of our government to keep the poor comfortable. When the poor are comfortable, what gives them any incentive to improve their lot?

Take a test and all the people with the signs will work for food. Take them up on it and see how many will actually work for food.

Take a test and all the people with the signs will work for food. Take them up on it and see how many will actually work for food.

I have done just that, and EVERYONE I asked had an excuse NOT to work. One said he couldn't go with me because he was waiting for a friend, another said he had to be somewhere in an hour so he couldn't work. The one guy, who was HONEST, said the "I will work for money" sign got him more money than other signs he displayed to the public. For his honesty, I gave him $20.00.

well being in the middle, you are right, the poor and the rich are my enemies ^^.

There is a massive misunderstanding where the attitudes toward the poor are concerned, specifically within affluent nations.

Myth:
All of, or the majority of, poor people do not work, and would not if given the oppertunity.

Fact:
Most poor folk have jobs that are so poorly paid that they would be better off living off the state. They have them anyway. The rest are under the cosh because there are not the jobs to go around, which is not thier fault either. The actual proportion of poor who are there because of a choice, is actually very small, and is not indicative of the majority of low earners, or jobless. In any nation.

Myth:
The rich are captains of industry,whose blood sweat and tears have made possible the economic success of the nations in which they live.

Fact:
The large majority of people who have staggering sums of money, did not work for them, and wouldnt know a days real work if it jumped up and kicked them in the throat. Most are born into money, or aquire it through a series of clever, but not particularly strenuous backroom dealings, which have nothing to do with a hard days work, and everything to do with being better at lying, cheating, fiddling thier taxes, and avoiding expenditure.
There are those who would argue different, but there is little chance you earned your money if you did it at a desk.

It is pretty much impossible to become rich, and be an honourable, fairminded person. The one simple reason for that is, that a person only NEEDS a certain amount of money in order to live thier whole lives in relative comfort. To possess an excess of money, for the sheer hell of it, rather than giving it to the poor (and I mean the hardworking poor) shows a lack of morality that cannot be quantified verbally. There is no need for millionaires, for huge bonuses for flabby bankers, no need for huge payouts for company heads who are already "earning" hundreds of thousands plus per annum.

Sure, a person should aspire to comfort for themselves and thier families, but not at the expense of others. It is not fair or right, and it must end if equality is to come about.