Oh God, please don't let Romney win!

reply to post by OneMansOpinion

"No worries" as they say here in Lotus Land.

It's all good and all is well that ends well and begins anew well.

reply to post by NewAgeMan

I only have this to say about this subject OP .... Heiser is a fool. He tries to discredit Sitchin and his work soley because Sitchin was not credentialed enough to suit him. Heiser can say all he wants, but at the end of the day, Sitchin is still believed more than Heiser's so called friends, who by the way, are laughing at him behind his back, sorry to say.

Ok, I'm not flaunting my credentials. I'm educated in many areas besides what I've been university educated in. You don't need to go to university to buy important and relevant books. You just simply need the ambition to do it and the intellectual awareness that if you hope to be able understand something, you have to educate yourself!

I do very much enjoy your spirit. That's why I really do feel awkward criticizing you. But I have to be straight. Neither Obama nor Romney can 'save us' from what is essentially inevitable.

A 13 trillion dollar debt cannot be salvaged. We are far into the beyond. The 'elites' whomever they may be, will let this economy collapse because it is in their interests to do it. Are you dissatisfied with the present order? YES? Have you ever heard 'chaos out of order'? Or when someone has a diseased limb, what do they do? They cut it off. Ouch! Evil and painful surgery. But the present and current evil serves a better end. I'm not saying I agree with this, but this is how political strategists think. Our economy is most likely going to collapse. Obama will most likely install a police state (as happens in states of emergencies; contingencies all governments, including our very own in Canada, have built into them) and civil liberties will be stifled for quite awhile I imagine.

And it's also highly plausible that the impetus to this collapse will be an Israeli attack on Iran which would result in a Iranian blockade of the strait of Hormuz. They can do this through a simple oil spill (which is what people consider likely), or an actual naval blockade.

In fact, you're so smart and well informed (and Jewish too)

Wow. that was unbecoming of you. First, I'm not even Jewish (from a Portuguese Catholic background), and that you even said that was harsh - not so much to me, but to Jews. Leave them out of it)

No, the Simpson Blowles committe recommendations will be implemented to bridge acaross the fiscal cliff while the war expenditure diminishes, and the economy recovers. That is what's going to happen and is already happening.

No doubt a ten and twenty year balanced budget plan HAS to be put in place, short of declaring the debt meaningless, killing the Fed and re-issuing the American dollar, but that can't happen within the context of the global community and financial system. Therefore some a-hole somewhere, having already fallen to his knees in repantance, must walk (likely in a degenerate stoop, like Igor) into his dungeon full of Goild and make the donation of his lifetime, if only to save his immortal soul.

Mark my words, we're all going to get through this somehow, and since by hook and by crook didn't work out so well, something else has to be tried and with gusto while the remainder of the 21st (and 22nd) century of planet earth sees the dawning of a new age, may it be a brighter one for our children and our children's children - oh God if it be thy will, keep us safe from all harm and inform us on our path into ever increasing spheres of mutuality and civility and thus into you in eternity. Amen.

Godspeed America! Godspeed.

NAM
from his youth-hostel internet portal here in Vancouver Canada (I had ot leave work a bit early today I've been so stressed out over this you have no idea, or maybe you do).

Oh God what a relief!

PHEW!

And it wasn't even all that close in the final analysis.

The American people KNEW. The American people have learned. The American people have WOKEN UP!

Congrats. Welcome back to the Civilized world!

USA!

The USA ROCKS!

Thought we lost you there for a while... but now we know you're coming back, big time!

Originally posted by dontreally

In fact, you're so smart and well informed (and Jewish too)

Wow. that was unbecoming of you. First, I'm not even Jewish (from a Portuguese Catholic background), and that you even said that was harsh - not so much to me, but to Jews. Leave them out of it)

I thought Jewish was a "state of mind" and a practical understanding of that tradition, I really meant no harm by that and was implying that you're enlightened in a spiritual tradition. I was trying to pay you a compliment. Honest. I know you a bit from hanging around here and I always enjoy your approach to Jewish thought, along with your apparernt knewfound tollerance even appreciation of us mystical Christians and our way of seeing the world.

You're my bro, as are all Jews, whether by heritage or by choice. As a true Christian believer, although a "gentile" I'm really a Jew as well in a way, no?

I meant no harm by it. It wasn't derrogatory in that sense, which someone might assume. Jewish, not even Jew but Jew-ish.


God Bless, Canada Loves you all very much as your neighbor to the north.

NAM

And to you the haters who say that Canada and our relationship with our American neighbors has no stake in what happens there, and that we should keep our traps shut - just look back on the last 12 years since 9/11. We've bled and died beside you in Afghanistan. Our hearts have been ripped out also, and our government isn't anything to sing a lullaby over, no it's because of our desire to do nothing other than to love and be loved amd to share something of a lasting historical value and significance, and do that together, even as the closest neighbor of a global village.

And after all.. let's not forget that

“Nationalism is our form of incest, is our idolatry, is our insanity. ''Patriotism'' is its cult. It should hardly be necessary to say, that by ''patriotism'' I mean that attitude which puts the own nation above humanity, above the principles of truth and justice; not the loving interest in one's own nation, which is the concern with the nation's spiritual as much as with its material welfare /never with its power over other nations. Just as love for one individual which excludes the love for others is not love, love for one's country which is not part of one's love for humanity is not love, but idolatrous worship.”
~ Erich Fromm, American Psychologist.


All I can say in closing is that we are so relieved to see and recognize a maturing USA poised on the very cusp of some of the best days you've (and we've) ever had.

with much love, from Canada.

Nam, signing off, for real this time, I WILL shut up!

reply to post by longlostbrother


Really? Define socialism. If you were capable of defining socialism then you would have recognized several examples of it during this current administration. Its funny how you call something you dont understand a talking point, instead of pointing out where I'm wrong, its a liberal defense mechanism. Point out where I'm wrong. The sad thing is you can not, if you actually understood what you were saying or supporting you would not support it. That is why you are a lib. Obama is a socialists/communists and there is no way you could prove differently. You do not know the definition, nor have you read any relevent history pertaining to said social policies.

"Fool me once, sh sh shame on you, fool me TWICE ... ah

we won't get fooled again!"

~ George W. Bush

reply to post by kaylaluv

Obama the community organizer. lol. The community destroyer you mean. The community he "organized" was named Roseland. Look it up. He organized it so well that the police refuse to go there. Before he "organized" it Roseland was a nice place to live. I know. I grew up there. I always wondered why no one bothered to check on how well he did there. All he did was destroy the place and force businesses that provided jobs out of the neighborhood. His blackmail was the same as Jesse Jackson's. Pay me and my organization or I will force you out of business. When there was no more businesses to try and blackmail he left. The place is a war zone now. One of the reasons I am against him.

Originally posted by Jerk_Idiot
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

Obama the community organizer. lol. The community destroyer you mean. The community he "organized" was named Roseland. Look it up. He organized it so well that the police refuse to go there. Before he "organized" it Roseland was a nice place to live. I know. I grew up there. I always wondered why no one bothered to check on how well he did there. All he did was destroy the place and force businesses that provided jobs out of the neighborhood. His blackmail was the same as Jesse Jackson's. Pay me and my organization or I will force you out of business. When there was no more businesses to try and blackmail he left. The place is a war zone now. One of the reasons I am against him.

Hogwash. Roseland was a hellhole before Obama got there -- that's why he went as a community organizer -- because the community needed help. Quit making stuff up.

www.nytimes.com...

reply to post by NewAgeMan

I thought Jewish was a "state of mind" and a practical understanding of that tradition, I really meant no harm by that and was implying that you're enlightened in a spiritual tradition.

Oh, ok. I agree with your thoughts here.

I was trying to pay you a compliment. Honest.

I took it as passive aggressive

I know you a bit from hanging around here and I always enjoy your approach to Jewish thought, along with your apparernt knewfound tollerance even appreciation of us mystical Christians and our way of seeing the world.

come from a Catholic family. My sister is an ardent Catholic with mystical opinions herself. I have nothing against Christian mysticism. I actually quite enjoy reading some of their thinkers, and my favorite novelist of all time, Leo Tolstoy, was himself a Christian mystic. I also enjoy Dostoevsky, another Christian mystic.

Christian mysticism, and me get along fine. Far better than tantrism and I,

Though, I appreciate, I really do, your clever awareness of my slight change in attitude.

You're my bro, as are all Jews, whether by heritage or by choice. As a true Christian believer, although a "gentile" I'm really a Jew as well in a way, no?

To be honest, since I'm not a Jew, but an ardent student of Judaism, and understanding the basic ideas of Judaism, being a Jew is really nothing special in particular. You know what Yehuda (Judah) or Yehudi (a Judean, or Jew) means in Hebrew? Its mean 'to acknowledge'. That's the ancient idea of the Jew. During Roman times, 10% of the ENTIRE empire was Jewish. That's an enormous number. What made Judaism so compelling to people? It wasn't the 613 laws (which may have never existed at that time), it was the theology. The closeness. When you say you pray to God with sincerity, you're Jewish. You're Jewish in spirit. That's an essential Jewish quality.

And hey, if you say that's a Christian thing too, I guess we are all Christians from your perspective. People have no monopoly, and my opinion, shouldn't try to attain one, in being the 'objective' center which other peoples must revolve. The Jews, of course, have been an unusually special people in history. Both in terms of their religion, their history, and their accomplishments - which is why we are always so focused on them. But that doesn't take away from my mind the beauty and value from the good within other traditions.

The world is different, we are all from a particular place on earth, looking at the world from a particularly different perspective. Each religion experiences the world in a slightly different way, just as each person does. The Jews may be that great 'balancer', that center weight, which emphasizes the quality of human deeds in this world. It is intensely focused with doing good, and being good, objective; not simply in intent, but in action.

And I'm not saying there aren't Hindus or Buddhists or Christians or Muslims or Secularists who can't be just as good themselves. But it is a fact that the Jewish religion puts a great deal more emphasis on the imperative to act properly - which their religion actively reprimands - than in Christianity. Christianity, of course, does it a great deal themselves. The difference is very nuanced, as slight as the difference between acting rightly from an inner need to act, to acting rightly because you have an inner need AND an outer obligation in the form of a 'commandment'. You would never be able to tell the people apart morally. So, these slightly different perspectives cover our world, from the america's, where God is seen mostly as female (although also as male) in the form of nature, and intimacy and closeness with the sanctity of her spirit, to the far east, which has a far more remote and abstract conception of divinity, as in Zen Buddhism, for example.

My heart has taken me in the direction of Judaism. Not a bad thing. It's a good thing. But I'm not a xenophobe who can't appreciate the good in others. In fact, I've come to increasingly understand the importance of appreciating and understanding the reality of the other.

The wolf will live with the lamb,
the leopard will lie down with the goat,
the calf and the lion and the yearling together;
and a little child will lead them.
Isaiah 11:6

It's beautiful in the Hebrew
וְגָר זְאֵב עִם-כֶּבֶשׂ, וְנָמֵר עִם-גְּדִי יִרְבָּץ; וְעֵגֶל וּכְפִיר וּמְרִיא יַחְדָּו, וְנַעַר קָטֹן נֹהֵג בָּם

My political comments are just on what I consider likely to happen, based on the prior evidence. I don't trust Romney, and I trust Obama even less. In my mind, I consider it plausible that both parties may be leading us in the same direction. In the mean time, Obama will be inching us closer to socialism. War with Iran may still happen with him in power.

I would love to think positively, but how often do people take a spiritual positive attitude, and things still happen? Like those Jews long ago who didn't fight when the Greeks came to fight them, because it was the Sabbath. They thought the holiness of the sabbath would protect them. Did it? No. They got massacred. Or those Buddhists monks who light themselves afire in protest. Do the Chinese care? No, they don't. Forcing the Dalai Lama to tell them to stop.

I believe in God with all my heart, but I think he puts it into our hands to understand the ways of the world. If someone is coming to kill you, that God given knowledge "prepare yourself to protect yourself", is what you need to be thinking. Of course, a part of you should always foster hope for peace and change. But you can't seriously put all yourself into it, lest what you hoped for doesn't happen and you aren't prepared or ready for the consequences.

For example, I have a fairly decent food supply in case the economy collapses and a food crisis occurs. Am I 'paranoid' for doing this? Of course not. It's pragmatic. When you have Israel threatening to attack Iran (for legitimate reasons, I might add), and Iran threatening to block the economically vital strait of hormuz, and the US warning Iran that if they do that the US will intervene, and you understand a block in the passage of 35% of the worlds oil supply will lead to a serious economic crisis, and oil skyrockets, and gasoline skyrockets, and transportation costs skyrocket... Do you understand what kind of calamity that is? Look at Yugoslavia in the 1990's. Situations such as this are very likely before us, but how many people are ready? Or competent enough to prepare themselves?

For posterity and historical appreciation only - NOT to provoke, and this isn't about Obama or who's POTUS as much as it is about the welfare of the whole nation, both spiritually and materially.

Some can just hate hate hate all they like but it serves nothing, in the same way that blind faith and adoration is equally risky. And he knows what he's up against, and all the mistakes that he's made so for the sake of the country why not both give him a chance and put your own hand to the plow without looking back? Why not?

The cynical and entirely pessimisstic and yes the purely "conspiratorial" POV, just isn't entirely based in reality as it really is, which is by far greater I'm sure than even Barack Obama can imagine!

He's right that we're in this together and, that self governance is the key to a better way of life, equally available to one and all. That is the essence of the American dream is it not? Why not dream of something infinitely better than what's gone before even if only by comparison whereby "all happiness for man must arise exclusively only in relation to some unhapiness, already experienced" and where "the more that suffering has carved into our being, the more joy we can contain." (Gurdjieff and Gibran)?

Why not?

Yes we must be realistic with eyes wide open, but we can't shirk from our responsibility as active historical participants even if only by the neccessity of free will choice.

Nothing else BUT a spirit of eternal optimism is even rational to begin with while always beginning with the end in mind, right?

I'm not crazy, not smoking anything at least not right now.

Best,

NAM

reply to post by dontreally


Wow. Well said.

Something has happened to you. You're totally different now. Integrated and compassionate whereas before your were a complete zealot in the sense of advocating for the exclusive superiority of the Jewish "framework" which it may very well be, but seeing you give that up for something more integrative is nice to see because that's precisely what we most need in this sometimes dark world of absolute ignorance, like lost children.

So much compassion is needed and the heart has to MOVE for the plight and the suffering of others. Anyone say with money could come along and slap a bandaid on or even cater to the sufferers needs, yet if it's not done in love and for love (much like the Hindu Bhakti or devotional love), then it signified and in the end accomplishes nothing because absent love it's not transformational. To me this is the spirit and the wisdom and thus the present moment experience of Christ within and among us, extending us to those in need, even including, if not starting with, the most unlovable, and even, if that weren't enough those we most hate! It's all or nothing real love is. That Jesus let me tell that guy not only had the spirit of wisdom or Sophia, but also the greatest sense of humor of all time I am utterly convinced of it ie: that he was filled with laughter.

And how amuzing would it be to overcome the world and be set free for the sake of freedom to freely love as we are first loved? What utter joy awaits those who wait on the Lord?

It's enough to bring a person both to tears perhaps first of sorrow and mourning and then of laughter the likes of which we've never known because it is the humor of true understanding, an indestructible charm, that's my Jesus, King of the Jews (imho).

Everyone's like - oh no, now it's suddenly become a Jesus Thread - run for your lives!

reply to post by NewAgeMan

Integrated and compassionate whereas before your were a complete zealot in the sense of advocating for the exclusive superiority of the Jewish "framework" which it may very well be

You got a good memory.

I love Judaism, I love Jews. I worship, God, not dogma. If something seems unreasonable, I reject it. You may have disagreements in principle, but the person is always above the principle.

I appreciate your noticing such changes in me. I'm still a very young guy. I feel I'm growing for the better.

if not starting with, the most unlovable, and even, if that weren't enough those we most hate!

I get what you mean. But certain people are just so wily, so nefarious, that too be stringent with them is actually the right way of acting, in my opinion. Otherwise, you indulge their moral weaknesses and consequently don't make an intelligent effort to help them.

And how amuzing would it be to overcome the world and be set free for the sake of freedom to freely love as we are first loved? What utter joy awaits those who wait on the Lord?

lol, you gotta a funny way about you newageman.. Isaac, in Hebrew, Yitchak, means 'he will laugh'. Isaac, the somber, would be sacrifice of Abraham. In the Kabbalah, Isaac signifies the vector of 'judgement', or 'severity', And yet, his name means 'he will laugh'. It sort of highlights the paradox between sorrow and laughter.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


You wish is our command!! LOL We made sure the lunatic did not get his hands on the Presidency! LOL

Originally posted by pyramid head
reply to post by longlostbrother

 

Really? Define socialism. If you were capable of defining socialism then you would have recognized several examples of it during this current administration. Its funny how you call something you dont understand a talking point, instead of pointing out where I'm wrong, its a liberal defense mechanism. Point out where I'm wrong. The sad thing is you can not, if you actually understood what you were saying or supporting you would not support it. That is why you are a lib. Obama is a socialists/communists and there is no way you could prove differently. You do not know the definition, nor have you read any relevent history pertaining to said social policies.

en.wikipedia.org...

There's not "examples" of socialism in America. Socialism is a top down economic structure, which creates communally owned and controlled assets, publicly controlled land and the workers (that's you) own and control the "means of production".

In other words, we all own it and we all benefit from it.

There's NO examples of that in America.

You don't have ownership of the medical system. You don't benefit when it benefits, do you?

If you UNDERSTOOD Socialism you'd understand this.

A tax, as part of a private medical system, not public, to expand healthcare coverage, in which insurance companies - private businesses - and doctors - private businesspeople - are paid by citizens, and in which they keep their profits, is not even vaguely Socialism.

There's only one group that think America is in anyway headed for Socialism: people who don't know what socialism means. Well, there's a second group, people who DO know what it means, but lie about it to chumps like you, to scare you, and win votes.

As a Canadian myself I would like to congratulate the residents of the USSA on their re-affirmation of the Leader, the move to abolish their obsolete Constitution and say welcome comrades!

Looking forward to your joining with Canada and Mexico in forming the first NAUSSA. Utopia awaits!

reply to post by dontreally

I think that an authentic encounter with the living God almost HAS to produce laughter, laughter at the absurdity of what we thought we knew before and who we took ourselves to be because the experience is highly informative and thus comes packaged with a self depracating joke at our own expence, so yes, the first born (re-born) will laugh. Isaac - he will laugh. I love that.