Originally posted by Koros

I'm sorry, but what is coming across as is "I want to have sex without having to be responsible for the consequences of it." It doesn't work that way.

Yes it does. It's actually considered a right...for women at least.

If you (or anyone) is willingly having sex with a member of the opposite sex, then they are willingly putting themselves in to a position in which a pregnancy may occur. This is basic biology. You, and all adults, know this fact.

If this fact is not a good enough excuse for women to be obligated to the consequences of sex, then it's not a good enough excuse for men to be either.

If a pregnancy DOES occur, a woman has a choice to end it since she is the one who has to carry it. Sorry, my friend, but you have to live with her choice. Why? Because it is not YOU who has to carry the child.

This is completely non-sensical. A woman has a choice to throw away the consequences because she has to face a certain responsibility for 9 measly months but a man has no say in a consequence & responsibility that lasts for at least 18 YEARS?

In the end, if a baby does come out, you are responsible for that child.

A man is not responsible for bringing a child into this world. That was the full the decision of the woman (assuming she's 'pro-choice').

unless you are just trying to find a way to get your rocks off without responsibility.

Funny...that's the entire purpose of the proposal of abortion on demand.

An experience from an old friend is quite relevant to this thread, he was an old mate from high school who got a girl pregnant when he was 19, he was wearing a dom but it broke. He told her it broke and that she should get the morning after pill, he even paid for it because she couldn't afford it but she spent the money on something else and never took it.

Two months later he found out about it and insisted that she get an abortion, that they were too young and he wanted to get an education and travel before having kids. They had a big fight about it which ended the relationship.

She kept the baby and now he has to pay her child support. She does not work, got the baby bonus as well as a chunk of his paycheck every week. (Don't know if you have baby bonus in America, its basically a payment for having a kid) So she's basically a bludger, getting a free ride off the back of his hard work, and the taxpayers.

He had trouble affording the child support as he was trying to save up so he could go to university because it's hard to work full time while studying full time, rent is expensive in Australia and he didn't qualify for assistance. Last I saw him at the reunion and he never ended up getting his degree, he just works in crowd control now (like a bouncer).

I can't stand the way this girls decision practically ruined my friends life, I hate her for it, he could have a degree and a house by now.

If two people gotta pay for the kid, then two people should be making the decision.

that a nice romantic line on a 4th date.

things are getting hot. then suddenly

"sign these papers please"

lol well im not completely without traditional values. but i do believe a couple should have a sexual relationship long before a marriage. as certain levels of relationships, you learn more about a person and how you are with that person.
not necessarily as soon as a 4th date, but im not one with minimum limit rules ;D

Dude, wouldn't it be so much easier to get snipped?

Yeah, it would make things more clear but is kind of removes the magic, mystery and wonder of getting to know another person and forming a close a bond. Life can change depending on who we need during the course of our life. Someone may not want kids now, but you might meet someone who is great and the gal ends of getting pregnant. Maybe it was not your plan to have a child but this gal is great and your mind might change thus your life goes in a different direction than you planned.

The way I see it, it is all part of being alive and living a life. We can only plan so much. We must also remember that life is a journey not a planned event with a end goal.

Thanks for participating to everyone that did. It has certainly been an enlightening and interesting thread thus far. Not saying thread over, or jumping ship on it or anything, just thought an interim thanks was due

Originally posted by curiouscanadian777
"If [woman] decides upon finding out a pregnancy has occured, to keep the child, then she accepts full responsibility for said child."

As a woman, if I've had sex with a man who's made it VERY clear, contract or no, that he does not want children, I would take responsibility and not expect a thing, should I choose to go ahead with it. Doesn't make him a POS in my eyes.
The guy who says, "Oh yeah, I'll be there for you" and then splits, is a different story.
Sounds like I am in the minority here...

I can totally see your point. If a guys honest about it from the start then that's good but a contract!? Seems a little too much to me. I really wouldn't have the audacity to push such a thing on a woman I barely know.

In respect to the the OP, I'm wondering if 'Fifty Shades of Gray' has had an influence upon this thread...hmm?

I used to share a lot of your same values.

The other side of the coin is the possibility to bring people into this world that are detached from the norm. People who exist outside of the box and can know what it is like to truly be happy and maybe one day be able to make a real difference in this world.

This is irrelevant and unnecessary is other countries. Only the US gives women such lop-sided protection and rights. This is why american women are the least-wanted women to marry world-wide. They have priced themselves out of the marketplace. None of my male amereican friends have said they want to marry an american wife.