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For all the people who support Obama I would like to ask one question

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posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 10:29 PM
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For all the people who support Obama I would like to ask one question, but first let me point out a few things. Obama –like G.W. Bush - is a traitor to the United States Constitution, in fact most if not all of congress is. Obama signed the Patriot Act extension with an auto-pen, gave us the NDAA and the NDRP, all of which take away your freedoms and rights.
Because of Obama,
You no longer have the First Amendment (freedom of speech) the Fourth Amendment (protection from unreasonable search and seizure) the Fifth Amendment (due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, eminent domain), or the Sixth Amendment (trial by jury and rights of the accused; Confrontation Clause, speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel). All of that is gone because of the Patriot Act, but now you have to add in the fact that you no long have a right to your property and you can be assassinated by the government for any reason. (NDAA, NDRP)
I know what you’re thinking, “that’s only for terrorists”, but no, it includes American citizens and that is what makes it an act or treason against the United States Constitution. Did you know you’re a potential terrorist? I will list just a few things that make you a potential terrorist.
1 Did you prepare for hurricane Sandy? You’re a potential terrorist.
2 Do you buy things with cash? You’re a potential terrorist.
3 Do you own a gun? You’re a potential terrorist.
4 Did you server in the United States Military? You’re a potential terrorist.
5 Switch the SIM card of your cell phone? You’re a potential terrorist.
Sadly, this is not a joke. I could tell you Obama is a socialist, and point to the article of January 14, 2007 Titled, “Obama’s Quiet Years in NYC Pol’s Rise Stuns His Classmates from Columbia”, which says “He went to socialist conferences at Cooper Union and African fairs in Brooklyn and started lecturing his relatives until they became worried he’d become “one of those freaks you see on the streets around here.”
I could do that and point out a lot more, but that was in the past, however I will point out the fact that, right now, not the past, he is violating the United States Constitution and taking away your rights. I could be assassinated for this post, or put in jail for the rest of my life, without a trial, or a lawyer because I am using my freedom of speech.
The question I want to ask you is – knowing what you now know- Why do you support Obama?
I don’t want a “lesser evil” or “But Bush” answers. I want the truth and if you support him because you believe we no longer need the United States Constitution, or because you’re anti-American, then I will respect your answer.

Just so you know, I don’t support Romney and I’m still not sure if I will vote for Johnson, but he did say he will repeal the unconstitutional acts.

Again I only want the answer to the question. Why do you support Obama?




posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 10:33 PM
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reply to post by GunzCoty
 

I'll tell you why I do, well technically anyway.

This thread should explain it:

www.abovetopsecret.com...


edit on 4-11-2012 by gladtobehere because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 10:40 PM
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reply to post by GunzCoty
 


Great post! I bet you won't get too many answers though...
...if any.

I disagree with you labeling him a socialist though. I think he's a diehard capitalist disguised as a socialist.
edit on 4-11-2012 by Bone75 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 10:42 PM
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So what if he's a socialist?



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 10:45 PM
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Originally posted by gladtobehere
reply to post by GunzCoty
 

I'll tell you why I do, well technically anyway.

This thread should explain it:

www.abovetopsecret.com...


edit on 4-11-2012 by gladtobehere because: (no reason given)


Great thread!


I don't think many people will speak up in defense of Obama though...they should though. You can't blame a guy who was voted in on lies, with hardly any qualifications, and they must have realized something was up when he won a Peace Prize without doing anything. He's just another puppet with no real power to actually change anything. I think he had good intentions, then quickly realized he has no real power...he's another fall guy.
Vote him out or keep him...the US already effed itself by not getting someone that would actually do something, although I do hope Ron Paul gets written in!



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 10:54 PM
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Because I vote on issues.

There are several issues for the way I voted setting aside my disdain for Romney I will list a few.

1. Renewable energy which I believe is essential to our future.

2. Healthcare issue (Repeal and replace doesn’t work for me Replace then repeal would have worked for me)

3. Foreign policy (the aggressive stance with the world I do not believe in Iran just announced they are halting enrichment at 20% so sanctions are taking effect)

4. Military (being a veteran I know how much waste goes on and the military wants more SF and less ships, Tanks, and fighters that we don’t use and so forth)

5. The privatization of foreign aid, FEMA, and national security I am against.

6. The proposed tax cuts from Romney’s plan I just cannot get behind the math does not balance out (lack of details) it may have produced short term gain but I see it as disastrous in the future.

There I left out the personal issues I have with Romney but the issues I just listed were my top reasons behind my decision. I am not really looking for change this time but at the policies that are currently ongoing. Especially the first one I listed which Romney has made clear that it is not part of his plans or at least it was that way last time I heard him speak on it.

BTW when you make long posts please break it up into paragraphs it makes it easier to read.

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posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 11:36 PM
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I'm a Canadian, and thus cannot vote in the presidential election, but I support Obama.

I believe that your general suspicion of government is warranted, and I agree that DHS and the Patriot Act are assaults on freedom, and the Constitution.

...But these things were done under a Republican president, and will continue to be done no matter which president is in office. The system is broken.

All I can do is look at the two viable candidates, and ask myself: "Which candidate's ideas do I agree with more? And which candidate do I think is more honest?"

When I ask myself these questions, I find that Obama's policies align more with my own views, and I feel that he is a person of more character and substance than Mitt Romney.

That's it.



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 03:08 AM
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I don't support Obama, and have no intentions of voting for him. But if I absolutely had to vote for one of the two clowns, and could get past the distaste, I'd go with Obama.

Why? Three words:

Mitt friggin Romney



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 03:32 AM
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Originally posted by gladtobehere
reply to post by GunzCoty
 

I'll tell you why I do, well technically anyway.

This thread should explain it:

www.abovetopsecret.com...


edit on 4-11-2012 by gladtobehere because: (no reason given)


Could be. I ponder this as well. If barry shill is allowed to pass the baton to the romney shill, the heat may be off. The election was lost once the men were excluded, the crazies who said the truth....but the seeds were planted.

Now they aim to tear up those seeds, with drones, sky net, stasi terror/informant campaigns, aided by technofascistology. What do we do?



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 10:40 AM
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Because I vote on issues.
Really?
Ok I will act like this is not a cop-out answer and I will ignore your "two party system" only, blind way of thinking.
I will act like Obama has not wasted billions on "Renewable energy" like First Solar.
I will act like Obama has any real say on foreign policy, other then kneeling and apologizing to everyone.
I will act like the Obama-care tax is something good.
I will act like every issue you listed is/was a success, now let me get this right.

You are ok with losing your freedom and trashing the United States Constitution, over a few issues?


Oh yes, sorry about the post. I typed it in MS word then pasted it, but it did not come out the same.



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 10:52 AM
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But these things were done under a Republican president,
reply to post by RedBird
 

No, the Patriot Act was started under Bush as I have said, but the other violations are under Obama and he resigned the Patriot Act making it his.




And which candidate do I think is more honest


Obama lies like a rug, and this is no secret.



I'm a Canadian

That kind of says it all and voids your opinion in this matter, but thank you for replying.
People from Africa, or China could tell me why they support a US traitor, but I just don't care about other countries opinions on this matter, sorry, but again thank you for an "outsiders" view.



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 11:09 AM
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Why do you support Obama?


I love Socialism and hate the Constitution.

Hey, it's what you want to hear, right?

I could list out all the policies of his that I support, but you really just want to paint Obama supporters as exactly as I just answered. So there you go, enjoy it, let it make you feel all warm and fuzy inside.



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 11:22 AM
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Nice try, but no.
I will not bother to give you the time for a proper post, so I'll just copy paste my answer from 1 or 2 post up.




You are ok with losing your freedom and trashing the United States Constitution, over a few issues?

Thank you, and have a nice day.



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by GunzCoty
reply to post by Taiyed
 


Nice try, but no.
I will not bother to give you the time for a proper post, so I'll just copy paste my answer from 1 or 2 post up.




You are ok with losing your freedom and trashing the United States Constitution, over a few issues?

Thank you, and have a nice day.


I have not lost a single right or any freedoms. But then again, I'm not a paranoid tinfoil hat wearer.

I have no problem changing the Constitution, it was written by hypocrits and bigots. You say trashing, I say improving. Times change, so do our laws.

Deal with it.



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 12:06 PM
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After reading your OP and the following comments, along with your responses it is clear to me that you will only accept certain answers. I voted for Obama. Ultimately, I will always vote for the incumbent unless the opposition gives me a viable option. They have not done so.

Further, I support the ACA, although I do recognize it has some problems and needs to be worked on to be effective.

I'm not a Romney fan. I did vote for several Libertarians in my local elections, but I refuse to vote third party in a national election until said third parties become more established at the state levels.



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 12:13 PM
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This reason, above all others, is why I will be voting tomorrow to give President Obama a second term:
The Republican Party's stated disregard for the health and safety of American citizens and the health of our natural environment in favor of the all mighty dollar.

From the 2012 Republican platform:

For example, we believe people are the most valuable resource, and human health and safety are the most important measurements of success. A policy protecting these objectives, however, must balance economic development and private property rights in the short run with conservation goals over the long run.

How's that work? They are willing to degrade their stated most valuable resource, human health and safety for profits and property rights.

More points from their plan:

Congress should reconsider whether parts of the federal government’s enormous landholdings and control of water in the West could be better used for ranching, mining, or forestry through private ownership.

Awesome. Let's take our nations' national parks, monuments, and forest lands, including pristine wilderness, that belong to every one of us, and sell them to the highest bidder. And smarter still, "control of water" to private ownership. How is that going to work?

One more:

The Republican Party supports appointing public officials to federal agencies who will properly and correctly apply environmental laws and regulations, always in support of economic development, job creation, and American prosperity and leadership.

Environmental laws and regulations are to protect our human environment. Period. If the regulations cause a company higher costs or to go bankrupt, so be it. Find another means of profit, that doesn't include raping my living environment for your personal gain.

I don't see how stating in your platform that you're willing to compromise the health of our environment and our people in pursuit of profits and jobs is moral, ethical or displaying good sense.

Without clean water to drink, pollution-free air to breathe or wild, unspoiled acres to roam, all the freedoms and liberties you are worried about losing mean nothing.

Source for quoted test



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by usernameconspiracy
After reading your OP and the following comments, along with your responses it is clear to me that you will only accept certain answers. I voted for Obama. Ultimately, I will always vote for the incumbent unless the opposition gives me a viable option. They have not done so.

Further, I support the ACA, although I do recognize it has some problems and needs to be worked on to be effective.

I'm not a Romney fan. I did vote for several Libertarians in my local elections, but I refuse to vote third party in a national election until said third parties become more established at the state levels.


SInce most will only vote for a D or an R beside a name, many of our libertarians and more independents are running as republicans locally. We've had one too many scandals with the dems in the last 15 yr run od Den rule so folks will try a change, but really cant see anything past a democrat or republican. I guess if one decides to really investigate WHO they have as choices, they may see that the D or R doent really reflect the politics or ideals of the person.
IMO Obama is a Bush style republican pretending to be a Democrat. He has upheld so much of Bush's policies I dont see how I can draw any other conclusions. BUT.. he has that D after his name so I guess to some thats all that counts.



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 12:27 PM
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I told you what rights you lost.
Then again I would say you are right, that you have only lost the protection of your rights, but the truth is you have lost the rights I listed.



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 12:30 PM
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I do not only want certain answers.
Your answer is a respectable honest answer.



but I refuse to vote third party in a national election until said third parties become more established at the state levels.
Again I may not agree with that, but I do respect your honesty.



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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Wow look at this a real informed answer. Thank you for your reply.
I agree with you on the water, but not the land. There should be no control over water private or federal.



Without clean water to drink, pollution-free air to breathe or wild, unspoiled acres to roam, all the freedoms and liberties you are worried about losing mean nothing.

That is true, however without our rights you will never have clean water to drink, pollution-free air to breathe or wild, unspoiled acres to roam. Then again, our water is not clean, our air is not pollution-free and are there any "unspoiled" acres to roam in America?

You make a few good points, regardless if you are, or are not exaggerating some things with your opinion, you are the first one to post a really honest answer in detail as to why you support Obama.




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