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posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 09:46 PM
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reply to post by Corruption Exposed
 
HaHo (Hello),
I agree, I was bout to put down some words and feelings and they cut it off at the pass, so to speak! I was reading some posts that talked bout Native Americans, like the stuff they read out of school books and think they know for a fact my Nation comes from the Bering Straits (Theory-get it! Its a "theory") and how the atrocities done to me and mine every day, not just to our ancestors in the past but in our every day lives. I could give many more examples, but many immigrants who come to our ancestral lands (Turtle Island) have made up their minds and hearts, so why bother! To think you are free here in America is not really true, not only for me but you as well.
I am full blooded(meaning because of the United States we have to DNA testing to prove we are Native American), plus I have land that is held in trust , that I cannot use, its for non-native americans (like local governments, state governments, federal government and private(tax paying citizens) to do as they please on my so called indian land. Some would argue that we have casino's, yeah that is a misconception and its not controlled by Native American Quasi-Sovereign Tribal entities or Tribal Governments authorized by the United States Government to even exist.
Reply to your previous post and relates to this post as well: Why do we condemn the nazis when America has committed equally evil deeds?
"The US has committed heinous crimes against the native americans"

lobotomizemecapin
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posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 10:39 PM
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You know, its a little thing called pride. People have it everywhere you go. There are citizens of places most people think suck that think where they live is the best in the world. Truth is, most people know the BS going on heir own country but they still have pride in where they're from because the whole world is just as messed up


Sure, I've known people who think America is the best around. Perfect nation untouched by evil. Those people were in their late 60s, 70s, and 80s. People who experienced a different America. Rarely do I actually meet people of younger generations that don't realize our country has its faults. And its not rare to find people who have pride in where they are from regardless.

You're free to rage about your perceptions. I have no place to say you're wrong. But I will tell you I have pride in being an American and won't shy away from admitting when we are wrong. Or at least when I think we are wrong.



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 12:07 AM
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Originally posted by manykapao
Oh great an ATS favorite, USA bashing. Does all that dribble have a single.mention of Europe's.CENTURIES of.abuses and imperialism over the globe or is it just centered around a few decades of.the US doing Europe's.dirty work.

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I think people can CONSIDER the foibles of the USA without thinking we have a monopoly on injustice.

People should always work on fixing their own problems before they try to fix others. WE all know that terrible things have been done, and that in Iran, sometimes they cut off heads. But American justice -- or the lack thereof, effects my life, and any abuse of the public here is more of a threat because it's where I live.

The Modern age is an improvement over the abuses of people in the past -- but mainly because they've taken it out of the public eye and we have expectations of better behavior. Europe as well has become a bit more civilized than a few hundred years ago.

So here we are now; expecting truth, justice and the American way - and we have to face that it's just Public Relations.

>> We can add a bit to this list; Drug Companies "allegedly" were using some of our procured prisoners at Abu Ghraib to test drugs that make people depressed and lose hope -- making them very susceptible to being broken (likely an anti-depressent that failed but had useful side effects). So maybe beyond terrorizing Iraqis, our torture program ended up having a purely financial reason for existing.

I want to live in a country that is a beacon of hope and gains influence because everyone loves and respects us -- we can't get their with the path we've been on. And I applaud people who bring up the evil we do -- we can never be a great country unless we first push the standards of being good.



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 12:11 AM
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Originally posted by Echo3Foxtrot
You know, its a little thing called pride. People have it everywhere you go. There are citizens of places most people think suck that think where they live is the best in the world. Truth is, most people know the BS going on heir own country but they still have pride in where they're from because the whole world is just as messed up


Sure, I've known people who think America is the best around. Perfect nation untouched by evil. Those people were in their late 60s, 70s, and 80s. People who experienced a different America. Rarely do I actually meet people of younger generations that don't realize our country has its faults. And its not rare to find people who have pride in where they are from regardless.

You're free to rage about your perceptions. I have no place to say you're wrong. But I will tell you I have pride in being an American and won't shy away from admitting when we are wrong. Or at least when I think we are wrong.


Kudos!

I think we can do both. We can be proud of the GOOD people in America who have done great things, and angry at the people who have done evil. People are not effective and can become unhealthy if they ONLY think about the bad things without embracing all the good -- and vice versa -- blind patriotism allows the abuse to continue.

I'm glad you can be OK with the critics -- that shows strength. Weak people demand to live in a bubble and never listen to critics. We all need to listen to each other, and learn from out mistakes. We can't do that without both truth and hope.



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 05:15 AM
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How long until this thread gets shut down as did the one asking if the US has committed deeds as evil as Nazi Germany?




posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 05:37 AM
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Holy messiah of human rights? When half the country still thinks a female's uterus is everyone's business but who it belongs to?!

The US isn't even a 'tree hugging hippy stoner' of human rights!
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posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 07:39 AM
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That makes sense
Guess I must have peeped the other thread before it got shut down. It's a shame people can't have a valid debate without someone jumping in and ruining it for those of us who can discuss things like civilized adults. Sorry that happened in your thread.



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by gladtobehere
reply to post by lobotomizemecapin
 

Not the holy messiah?

The US government has led the World in crimes against humanity.

The only nation to actually use nuclear weapons and that on a civilian population, not once but twice.

The use of chemical weapons, agent orange and napalm on civilians, women and children.

Torture, false flag terrorism, the overthrow of entire nations, wars of aggression over lies...

One would have to be a mental patient to deny the US government's role in global terror.

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Just one example with regards to your last thread.

During the Nuremberg trials, one of the most severe charges against the Germans was their intentional bombardment of dams. Less than a decade later, the US employed the exact same tactic against the Koreans.

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For 1945 bombing, sorry, the other side were nazis!



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 12:32 PM
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For 1945 bombing, you are not right, the other side were nazis.
Sorry for inocent victims, but that can not mean they were right.
That is what is going on, they want to make a situation to make a public opinion that nazi side were right, that can not be true!



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 12:51 PM
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I know it was a jest, but tree hugging hippie stoners are some of the most morally concerned people on Earth and that indicates a higher level of consciousness than the mere "legally concerned."



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 12:54 PM
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Be happy, many of all other countries in the world, they even don't mention such a terms similar to human rights



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 01:05 PM
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I don't like proclaiming of underaged as an adults, before the courts.
Next, the time sentences are extremely long, sometimes absurdly (250 years of prison ??? Who can live so long?).
There is a problem, too, of accusing the extremely ritch people against those poor, even when it should be done.
Next, I don't like deposits for deffending from freedom. That is a kind of discrimination.
Surely, I am foreigner, but I know something about, I watched movies, and similar.



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 01:15 PM
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Death Penalty? If one killed more than 1 person, if not in self-deffence, I can not see the reason why should I worry about, if death penalty is adjudicaded (is that right term, I am not judical? )
Surely, I wouldn't protest in case of less strong punishment, if not too small...
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posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 01:23 PM
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And 1 more topic, I agree with the assassination of armed criminals or terorists, if they don't want to surrender after the police call for.



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 05:17 PM
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All those wars listed, and assorted endings of life. I am just cross refferencing.
Is there total amount of deaths, over all?
I am wondering, if they all add upto 1.5 billion? A number listed in the 6'th seal.



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by dragnik

Originally posted by gladtobehere
reply to post by lobotomizemecapin
 

Not the holy messiah?

The US government has led the World in crimes against humanity.

The only nation to actually use nuclear weapons and that on a civilian population, not once but twice.

The use of chemical weapons, agent orange and napalm on civilians, women and children.

Torture, false flag terrorism, the overthrow of entire nations, wars of aggression over lies...

One would have to be a mental patient to deny the US government's role in global terror.

Edit***

Just one example with regards to your last thread.

During the Nuremberg trials, one of the most severe charges against the Germans was their intentional bombardment of dams. Less than a decade later, the US employed the exact same tactic against the Koreans.

edit on 4-11-2012 by gladtobehere because: (no reason given)

For 1945 bombing, sorry, the other side were nazis!

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Bombing of Dresden in World War II
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The Bombing of Dresden was a military attack on the city of Dresden, the capital of the German state of Saxony, that took place in the final months of the Second World War. In four raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, 722 heavy bombers of the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and 527 of the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city. The resulting firestorm destroyed fifteen square miles (39 square kilometres) of the city centre and caused tens of thousands of civilian casualties.[1]



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 09:20 PM
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Shame on you for Showing a picture of a few soldiers doing unspeakable things, and trying to spin it too look like all of them did. As a veteran, there was nothing more that 99% of us hated than to see such garbage trying to make us all look like that.



posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by lobotomizemecapin
American Wars

The American Revolution
1775-1783

The Indian Wars
1775-1890

Shay's Rebellion
1786-1787
Rebellion
Anti-(state)Government Rebels vs. Massachusetts

The Whiskey Rebellion
1794
Rebellion
Anti-Tax Rebels in Western Pennsylvania

Quasi-War With France
1798-1800
Inter-State (Naval) War
France

Fries's Rebellion "The Hot Water War"
1799
Rebellion
Anti-Tax Rebels in Pennsylvania

The Barbary Wars
1800-1815
Inter-State War
The Barbary States
(Tripoli, Algiers & Morocco)

The War of 1812
1812-1815
Inter-State War
Great Britain
The Growing & Troubled Republic

Primary Name of Conflict Dates of Conflict
(U.S. Involvement Only)
Type of Conflict Primary Opponent(s)
of the United States

Mexican-American War
1846-1848
Inter-State War
Mexico

U.S. Slave Rebellions
1800-1865
Slave Rebellions
Various Slave groups

"Bleeding Kansas"
1855-1860
Civil War (state of Kansas)
Pro-Slavery vs. Anti-Slavery Kansans

Brown's Raid on Harper's Ferry
1859
Rebellion
Anti-Slavery Rebels (Led by John Brown)

United States Civil War
1861-1865
Civil War
United States (The North)
vs.
The Confederate States (The South)


U.S. Intervention in Hawaiian Revolution
1893
Internal Rebellion & Foreign Intervention

The Spanish-American War
1898
Inter-State War

U.S. Intervention in Samoan Civil War
1898-1899
Civil War & Foreign Intervention

U.S.-Philippine War
1899-1902
Colonial War, War of Imperialism

Boxer Rebellion
1900
Internal Rebellion & Foreign Intervention
Chinese Government & "Boxer" Rebels

The Moro Wars
1901-1913
Colonial Wars
Philippine Muslim Rebels

U.S. Intervention in Panamanian Revolution
1903
Secessionist Revolution & Foreign Intervention
Colombia

The Banana Wars
1909-1933
Civil Wars & Foreign Intervention
Various Rebel Groups In Central America


U.S. Occupation of Vera Cruz
1914
Inter-State War
Mexico

Pershing's Raid Into Mexico
1916-1917
Inter-State, Border War
Mexican Government & Mexican Rebels ("Bandits")

World War I
1917-1918 (American involvement only)
Inter-State War
Germany

Allied Intervention in Russian Civil War
1919-1921
Civil War & Foreign Intervention
Russian Bolshevik (Soviet) Government

World War II
1941-1945 (American involvement only)
Inter-State War
Germany, Japan & Italy

The Cold War
1945-1991
Global Inter-State Cold War
The Soviet Union & Communist China

The Korean War
1950-1953
Inter-State War
North Korea & China

The Second Indochina War "Vietnam War"
1956-1975
Civil War, Inter-State War
North Vietnam & South Vietnamese "Viet Cong" Rebels

U.S. Intervention in Lebanon
1958
Civil War & Foreign Intervention
No real foe for U.S. Troops landed to support Lebanon Gov.

Dominican Intervention
1965
Civil War & Foreign Intervention
Rebels in the Dominican Republic

The Mayaguez Rescue Operation

News Story 1975 (May 15)
Hostage Rescue & Inter-State Conflict
Khmer Rouge Guerrillas (the new government of Cambodia)

Iranian Hostage Rescue "Desert One" or "Operation Eagle Claw"
1980 (April 25)
Hostage Rescue & Inter-State Conflict
Iran

U.S. Libya Conflict
1981, 1986
Inter-State War
Libya

U.S. Intervention in Lebanon
1982-1984
Civil War,Foreign Intervention & Inter-State War
Syria & Various Muslim and Leftist Lebanese Militias

U.S. Invasion of Grenada
1983
Inter-State War
Marxist Grenadian Faction & Cuba

The Tanker War

"Operation Earnest Will"
1987-1988
Inter-State War
Iran

U.S. Invasion of Panama
1989
Inter-State War
Panama

Second Persian Gulf War "Operation Desert Storm"
1991
Inter-State War
Iraq

"No-Fly Zone" War
1991-2003
Inter-State War
Iraq

U.S. Intervention in Somalia
1992-1994
Civil War & Foreign Intervention
Various Somali Militias

NATO Intervention in Bosnia (Operation Deliberate Force) Summary
1994-1995
Civil War,Foreign Intervention & Inter-State War
Bosnian Serb Rebels

U.S. Occupation of Haiti
1994
Foreign Intervention
Haitian Government

U.S. Embassy bombings and strikes on Afghanistan and Sudan (The bin Laden War)
August, 1998
Terrorist Conflict

"Desert Fox" Campaign (part of U.S./Iraq Conflict)
December, 1998
Inter-State War
Iraq

Kosovo War
1999
Civil War, Foreign Intervention & Inter-State War
Yugoslavia/Serbia

Attack on the USS Cole
October 12, 2000
Terrorist Conflict
Terrorists associated with Osama bin Laden

Attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon
September 11, 2001
Terrorist Conflict
Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida organization

Afghanistan War (Operation Enduring Freedom)
October 7, 2001-Present
War against Terrorism
The Taliban and Osama bin Laden's Al-Qaida organization

Third Persian Gulf War "Operation Iraqi Freedom"
March 19, 2003-Present
Inter-State War
Iraq


Hmm.... I wish my great,great,great,great,great Grand Parents invested in gun manufacturers.... Seriously though, from a biblical perspective the USA reads alot like Assyria. On the plus side though, look at the nature of the wars. Sure there are some shady ones in there, but it isn't like the USA tried to Conquer the world.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 10:42 AM
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Man I can agree, you are saying right



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 10:55 AM
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there has NEVER been a time of absolute peace in human history. EVER. That says it all.

What you guys are talking about, world peace, HAS NEVER existed. It is nothing short of a dramatic change in the human condition. I think the US is great and all, but not that great. We can't do that.

No one can for the moment. There will always be war all over the planet, always has.

Are you really counting on a few decades to measure the span of human existence? So in a couple decades when some other culture is the military power of the world, will they be responsible for the human condition?

Think bigger, long term. THAT is the only way to change the human condition.

When we see tomorrow, and beyond and act accordingly.


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