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posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 05:33 PM
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In the prior post, we showed a presentation that looked at America from the perspective of a corporation and how it would be completely unsustainable. Luckily, there is little probability that America will ever have anything to do with S-Corp status, and far more likely end up as an agrarian Kolhoz. The reason: based on a Pew survey of America's youth, or those aged 18-29, more have a positive view response toward Socialism than they do toward Capitalism. We will leave it at that.

And Capitalism: 46% Positive / 47% Negative:


www.zerohedge.com...

Horrible news regarding the youth!

The youth especially with Occupy Wall Street we had several young people who were against corporatism, or at least thought they were.
But apparently they are for socialism, but in a country infested with special interest groups Socialism will inevitably result in corporatism.
With government promoting monopolies with over regulation that almost makes it impossible for small businesses in certain industries to survive. So what is the end result the absence of this many many small businesses around the country with many jobs everywhere due to it's decentralized nature?
Well centralized monopolies with high prices due to next to no competition as we will increasingly see come true with lousy service.
Who cares if you don't like their services/products when they are the only ones offering it?

Eventually you'll have super rich individuals owning their own competition giving the high-priced illusion of comepition.
Then the people will demand regulation and oversight!
Then companies will lobby and pay donations to certain political candidates and after they are elected they will have former execs from these big corporations being appointed to head of newly formed regulatory/oversight commitees, sometimes even being czars of said service/product.

Redistibution of wealth, where the REDISTIBRUTOR is the most corrupt and bought entity in the nation.

I can't believe what is happening, the continent is going insane!
Because both Canada and the U.S. is starting to have such young people.
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posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Eventually you'll have super rich individuals owning their own competition giving the high-priced illusion of comepition.
Then the people will demand regulation and oversight!
Then companies will lobby and pay donations to certain political candidates and after they are elected they will have former execs from these big corporations being appointed to head of newly formed regulatory/oversight commitees, sometimes even being czars of said service/product.


Maybe I missed something here. But eventually???

That is EXACTLY what we've had since about 1980. People don't want socialism at all. They want an end to unrestrained corporatism and oligarchy masquerading as "capitalism"
~Heff


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posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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I think you and the person that wrote the article have little to no idea what socialism actually is, it's in fact a relief to see that the youth is capable of understanding the difference between stalinism and socialism.
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posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 05:41 PM
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Can you blame the young for wanting a society which is fair and looks after its people?
They have grown up seeing stupid wars being fought all in the name of capitalism. I hope this age range does embrace Socialism it is the moral thing to do.



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 05:41 PM
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You do realize this is bs dont you?

Most people between these ages dont really give a crap and the ones that are being polled are probably just obama fanatics


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posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 05:41 PM
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If you call the system we have in place capitalism, you really don't understand what capitalism is. You'd have to be an idiot to support "capitalism" when government welcomes crony capitalism by industry giants throws small businesses under the bus.

With that being said, yes, I'd prefer socialism to the sham capitalism we have in place now. Capitalism is essentially survival of the fittest in terms of business; when you upset that balance by bailing out asshats who have no regard for their fellow Americans and only care for their own money, you cease to have true capitalism.
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posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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It's always been that way. "If you're not a socialist before you are thirty, you have no heart. If you are a socialist after you are thirty, you have no head." Attributed to and quoted by any number of statesmen and philosophers. Do these young folks really want to work for the government the rest of their lives? Really???

It's just a reaction of people who have never had to fend for themselves because their parents bought the milk and bread and now they resent having to support themselves. So they think Big Government can be their Daddy. Good luck with that. It's worked so well before. As Ann Coulter recently said, the country is full of "stupid single Moms who want the government to be their husbands." Of course they're socialists. That way they get a free ride.
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posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by Hefficide
That is EXACTLY what we've had since about 1980. People don't want socialism at all. They want an end to unrestrained corporatism and oligarchy masquerading as "capitalism"
~Heff

Ya I don't disagree with you
I said eventually because I didn't feel like posting too many links to confirm that it's happening right now
I know everything as I read alot but do not have links handy
Also I didn't want to alienate too many people with the message, especially with the election with people thinking from their hearts instead of their brain

And I agree with what they really want, but they do not know what they want
The youth would not understand what you just said

They will want socialism even if it's just a facade of it
Just like they want a liberal progressive president but will vote for Obama anyhow



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
Can you blame the young for wanting a society which is fair and looks after its people?
They have grown up seeing stupid wars being fought all in the name of capitalism. I hope this age range does embrace Socialism it is the moral thing to do.


Did you read my OP or only the thread title?
If you are so for it then why not debate the points I made?



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 05:44 PM
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Why is this? Because the socialist-run state school/indoctrination system has succeeded over the long term. I think mine was the last generation to be spared from that nonsense.



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 05:44 PM
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Wait, so there is a correlation between age and intelligence? shocking news! Its no surprise the young are dumb, its part and parcel of having less life experience than those who are older and have lived through several iterations of government stupidity. I feel kind of good to think I don't buy into the same tripe so many of my age bracket seem to, but then I guess I am also an odd-one-out because I have a decent job that I worked my butt off for rather than sitting around waiting for someone to hand me one on a silver platter.



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 05:45 PM
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To be fair the reason why socialism and communism fail is not that they are inherently flawed, but rather that the leaders who put them in play are inherently greedy and apathetic towards the well being of their subjects. The idea of "We" before "I" isn't a bad one.



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 05:47 PM
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I appreciate your thread here. I met them myself in Occupy and held my tongue. How do you tell someone that 12 years of public school education was wrong? How do you tell them that economics as taught by CNN and MSNBC...or Fox...is fantasy land garbage and those Anchors saying it are driving a Lexus with a very nice home in affluent suburbs? They don't get it. They can't get it, perhaps.

29 is about the point I'd say you are at for the last people by age that have living memory of what Communism WAS before the Soviet Union fell and Eastern Europe finally saw freedom. Even that statement.....that East Europe saw freedom in 1989..will be attacked and argued by some. I've had it happen...and I usually disengage at that point. There is simply no debating people whose entire outlook on life and reality is so totally in conflict with the living memory of the reality which occurred.

I fear...we'll have to go through at least some of what the Soviet Union did. God save us from needing 60 years of it to learn how destructive it is, but......I don't know how we avoid it when the schools are producing loyal comrades who honestly believe the Soviet evil is all hype and propaganda. Even trying to explain the Gulag of that system gets ignorant comparisons to the U.S. Federal Prison system. (throws hands up) how can you even find reference to start from?


* Side Note

Scandinavian socialism works wonderfully, apparently. Those people love it, so I hear. I've also heard their politicians freely admit that what works beautifully for a nation their size and of like minded people (well..used to be
) would never work for a nation of 330 million who have about 50 million different concepts of how things should work. I happen to believe they're 100% right, too.



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
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To be fair the reason why socialism and communism fail is not that they are inherently flawed, but rather that the leaders who put them in play are inherently greedy and apathetic towards the well being of their subjects. The idea of "We" before "I" isn't a bad one.


The only way either of those systems can be implemented is if they are forced onto people against their will under threat of violence. Any ideology or system that can only exist through means of force is an inherently bad one.


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posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 05:49 PM
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With how BADLY our "lovely" CAPITALIST CROOKS have ROBBED our youth of any decent future, CAN YOU REALLY BLAME THEM for this???


Absolutely NOT!!
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posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

But apparently they are for socialism, but in a country infested with special interest groups Socialism will inevitably result in corporatism.
Maybe the Youth are seeing it for what it Really is..

You say Socialism will Lead to Corporatism? Well what the Heck do we have NOW??

Corporations Control our Media.
Corporations play both sides of our Political Parties.
Corporations run our Money Supply and Banking.
No my friend, We Already are in a Corporation Controlled Country, World for that Fact.
Socialism might be our Saving grace.
You go get em Youngsters.



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
If you call the system we have in place capitalism, you really don't understand what capitalism is. You'd have to be an idiot to support "capitalism" when government welcomes crony capitalism by industry giants throws small businesses under the bus.

With that being said, yes, I'd prefer socialism to the sham capitalism we have in place now. Capitalism is essentially survival of the fittest in terms of business; when you upset that balance by bailing out asshats who have no regard for their fellow Americans and only care for their own money, you cease to have true capitalism.
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Great Post

This is just a trailer but it shows


when government welcomes crony capitalism by industry giants throws small businesses under the bus.




Watch the whole feature if you can. Whether you like Michael Moore or not, he makes some great points.

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posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 05:53 PM
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And who is responsible for this socialist viewpoint? Teachers.

We've given them far too much power.



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 05:53 PM
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I wish people would try and understand socialism and communism are not the same thing...
2nd...



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 05:53 PM
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They have been conditioned to not question the inane things beamed into their brains by globalist corporations since birth. They are fairly braindead and easily controlled (while those same media convince them that they are actually media "savvy" instead of brainwashed). And they believe the propaganda that progressivism and socialism are anything but forms to destroy individual freedom and create centralized control by elites. Socialism is the ultimate system to destroy the individual and condition them to be an obedient slave. Part of a collective. "The people" is a construct to make phony self righteous pseudo-intellectuals defend the corporate/statist structures. "Socialism" and "Crony capitalism" are one and the same and always have been.

The independent middle class is the greatest threat to the elites. Its destruction through progressivism/socialism is the end game. All this study shows is that it is working. "The young people" are becoming mere automaton worker bees. Everyone equally poor and equally powerless.
While Huxley was right about more in general terms, Orwell was dead on with doublespeak. Socialism is the extreme opposite of compassion. Yet the controllers have fooled the foolish into equating the two.






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