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Originally posted by EnochWasRight
reply to post by Greatest I am
Thanks for all this but I did not see if you embrace the notion of human sacrifice or not or if you believe that to punish the innocent instead of the guilty is good justice or not.
Care to share?
Regards
DL
Sacrifice is giving something up for another. Since God gives life, he can take that life for the greater good of the individual. Humans sacrificing humans is yet another story. God will not sacrifice anyone that does not willingly participate in the act as a means to a greater end. God gives life back. In relation to humans sacrificing humans, we see another objective all together.
God gives and receives only. What he takes in death is given back in furtherance of life.
The thief takes and does not return. There is a difference here. I see that you are trying to trap me in a pretext. I simply outline the process for you and then show that the animal sacrifice was a symbol of the process we must suffer to get rid of our own beast. The entire process is a gift that is offered to us and not placed upon us. The Shepherd sheers the sheep that come by his voice. He goes after lost sheep but the sheep must sill stay to be sheered.
Have you ever seen a sheep that was not shorn? How can the wool be made white as snow if it is left on the sheep? How can the robe be given to the new creation unless the process is followed?
Thanks for all this but I did not see if you embrace the notion of human sacrifice or not or if you believe that to punish the innocent instead of the guilty is good justice or not.
Care to share?
P.S. Anyone who dances around a simple question like you are doing knows he is on the wrong moral foot or he would give a clear yes or no.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by EnochWasRight
Where did you get the notion that salvation is through faith alone if not from the bible? I see you post a lot of stuff written by Paul, I wouldn't trust Paul's word too much. Remember, he was a Roman persecutor of early followers of Jesus. Romans were famous for attacking and then forcing the other side to join them.
Do you believe that the bible is infallible and without error? Do you believe it has never been tampered with?edit on 4-11-2012 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)edit on 4-11-2012 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by EnochWasRight
Where did you get the notion that salvation is through faith alone if not from the bible? I see you post a lot of stuff written by Paul, I wouldn't trust Paul's word too much. Remember, he was a Roman persecutor of early followers of Jesus. Romans were famous for attacking and then forcing the other side to join them.
Do you believe that the bible is infallible and without error? Do you believe it has never been tampered with?edit on 4-11-2012 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)edit on 4-11-2012 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by EnochWasRight
Until you open up to the possibility that it's not infallible then you will never see. The bible is a book, books are written by the hands of men, men are prone to lying.
Where did you get the belief that the bible could never be edited? How can you be so sure that it hasn't been edited?
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by SpiritofEnoch
You'd be wrong to think my god isn't all-knowing. I may not know everything but everything that there is to know is known through us, through me, through you, through Jesus, through some alien living a billion miles away. The universe is all-knowing because everything that there is to know is within this universe.
John 8:58
Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!"
We can all say "I am", no? What allows us to think that? Self-awareness. What allows us to have self-awareness? Consciousness.
"I am" god just as you and everyone else is god. Without consciousness you would not be just as you think that without god nothing would be.edit on 4-11-2012 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by EnochWasRight
I do have humility and I don't have hatred for god. How could I hate myself?
How come the bible is infallible but the Koran isn't? Or do you believe it is infallible as well? They are both the word of god you know.
Matthew 20:16
So the last will be first, and the first will be last.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by EnochWasRight
12 disciples, 12 sons, 12 feasts, three kings/magi/astrologers, 12 constellations, Orion's belt. The three Mary's at the crucifixion (the three Mary's is what Latin Americans call Orion's Belt), turning water into wine, walking on water, feeding 5,000 people with 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread, these are all pagan symbolisms inserted into the story by the Romans.
Why was Christianity turned into the official religion of Rome? Because paganism was failing so in order to make the transition easier for others they inserted these pagan themes. I'm amazed how you can't see it, you seem like a very smart person, yet for some reason you fail to see the obvious.
Unity is exactly what they don't want to happen, which is why they silenced Jesus. They knew his message would bring people together so they killed him then edited his story.
To think that a book that's been around thousands of years wouldn't be edited is baffling in my opinion. The bible seems to be a huge part of your life and billions of others, so it definitely has a HUGE influence here on Earth. We can barely get birth certificates and tax returns from our leaders today, leaders have been corrupt throughout history, especially Romes. Can you really say that they would let the real truth be spread so far without ever editing the story? Of course they would alter it, they are liars and always have been. All they had to do was pick up a pen and paper and then copy the scripture and add their own lies to it. The bible is editable in all reality.