reply to post by Agit8dChop
At the moment, Iran are bound by whatever Israel want and desire because Israel has the nuclear weapon.
And what does Israel bind Iran to?? You talk as if Israel were the regional despot telling everyone what to do.
The nukes Israel possesses are purely for defensive purposes. It asks for nothing more than to be left alone, to be acknowledged. But this Iran and
the other Muslim countries can't do. And you yourself add to this injustice by embellishing their opposition with ridiculous claims of genocide and
ideas of manifest destiny.
You don't seem like the philosophical type.
Mutually assured destruction is a concept that an atheist can readily understand. Since he is a nihilist, or at least believes that there is nothing
beyond this world, he is likely to be trustworthy with something like nuclear power.
Now, lets talk about that thing which you continue to avoid acknowledging: Islam. In Ashoura, the festival celebtrated by Shia celebrating the
martyrdom of Ali, grandson of the prophet, pious Muslims go about the streets maiming and flagellating themselves with whips and knives. That is how
serious Shia take their religion. This is the irrational and fanatical mystic element of Shia Islam.
Now, combine this religious tendency with the marxist and Islamist ideology of the Islamic revolution, and you end up with a quite different idea.
Lets not forget the predictions in the hadith (meaning 'traditions') which makes these portents of the end of days:
Before his coming will come the red death and the white death, killing two thirds of the world's population. The red death signifies violence and
the white death is plague. One third of the world's population will die from the red death and the other third from the white death.
There will be a great conflict in the land of Syria, until it is destroyed.
Death and fear will afflict the people of Baghdad and Iraq. A fire will appear in the sky and a redness will cover them.
So much of what is going on today is seemingly being predicted by these hadiths. Pain and sufferring in Iraq? Check. Civil war in Syria? Check. All
thats left to be fulfilled is chaos and destruction, which could be effected with a nuclear bomb.
IRAN IS NOT THE SOVIET UNION. Secular countries should be treated one way based upon on the nature of their ideology, and Iran, a theocratic regime
with fanatic and dangerous beliefs, another way. This is what logic requires of us. End of story.
Do you really believe Iran will give Hezbollah a nuclear weapon to hit Israel, when they won’t even give them chemical, biological or even half
You mean the 10,000 or so rockets they have is not even half decent?
Second, Iran knows if it uses, or gives a nuke to Hezbollah and they use it, its lights out immediately.
What do you mean, lights out?? look at it this way, although I know you wont want to look at it anyway where Israel could seem to benefit. Iran could
DESTROY Israel by decimating it's economic heartland. They could kill 1 million + Jews, perhaps more, in one nuclear attack. That's the end of Israel.
No more Zionism. The Muslim world is elated. And then what?? Your argument is worthless. The Nazis attacked the soviet Union when logic dictated that
to do so would mean the end of them. But the Nazis wanted access to the 3 million + Jews of the Pale of settlement.
Jew hatred is not contained by logic. It oftentimes transcends it.
You really think Iran want to annihilate its own country when Israel will rebuild and Iran will forever be the dog in the outhouse?
It wouldn't necessarily mean the end of Iran. In any case, it would be an enormous victory for Islam.
More importantly, a state of chaos is a requirement to the coming of the Mahdi. Chaos must be in place in order for him to come. It's inevitable to
them that Iran - and Shia - eventually knock heads with the infidel west.
The PEOPLE do not want the government. Surely the mass protests indicated this. Its not like the people are sitting in their homes rocking back and
forth waiting for the order to murder Jews.
Nice job ignoring what I wrote about Shia ideology.
It’s called propaganda, like I said real Iranians on the ground are not doing this, its paid army and fanatics.
That claim is untenable, and a bold faced lie and exaggeration. The media is CONTROLLED BY THE GOVERNMENT. We know here through example what state
controlled media does to the minds of the population. Yet you brazenly deny that the majority of Iranians are fed views by their government controlled
It's a country of 75 million. A good chuck, perhaps half, wants a western style democracy. But there still remains a very devout portion which
wholeheartedly believes in the messianic fervor of the Iranian revolution.
why do they have to be political to want freedom and security and independence and the ability to choose instead of be instructed? Iran inundates its
populace with anti-zionist propaganda the same way American inundates its populace with anti-iranian and pro-american propaganda. Does this mean your
all fanatical zionists?
HUH? Firstly, what does being pro-american and anti-Iran have to do with Zionism? This is purely an issue of self interest. One can see Iran as being
too extremist to be trusted with a bomb, also support American foreign policy, and at the same time, not be a 'zionist'.
Do you think Gaza would stock pile rockets if Israel allowed them free passage, medical aid, food supplies, production abilities and a ceasation of
Jets and tanks bombing the strip killing people?
Everyday medical aid etc enter Gaza through accepted channels.
Another gross exaggeration.
Anyways, Goodnight. Enough for now.
edit on 5-11-2012 by dontreally because: (no reason given)