Last-Minute Ohio Directive Could Trash Legal Votes And Swing The Election

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posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 12:13 AM
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From Thinkprogress:

Last-Minute Ohio Directive Could Trash Legal Votes And Swing The Election


A last-minute directive issued by Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted (R) could invalidate legal provisional ballots. Ohio is widely viewed as the most critical state for both presidential campaigns and — with some polls showing a close race — the 11th-hour move could swing the entire election. The directive, issued Friday, lays out the requirements for submitting a provisional ballot. The directive includes a form which puts the burden on the voter to correctly record the form of ID provided to election officials. Husted also instructed election officials that if the form is not filled out correctly by a voter, the ballot should not be counted.


I think it's about time we the people get rid of these Fascists from office, let them rot in prison. I am so getting tired of the voter fraud occurring from both parties, especially from the GOP. And all of this so they can force a government run by the Bible. It's called a theocracy people. Why do think there was a large influx of laws base entirely on the Bible these past two years. And you can thank Paul Weyrich for all the voter suppression laws and tactics handed down from the GOP these last twenty years.

Here's a video from him during the 1980 Republican Convention:



Maybe just maybe, you can get an idea of what is going on. All you have to do is take the time to study Christian Reconstuctionism/Dominionism, and the 7 Mountain Mandate. Then you will get a clue on what's really going on.




posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 12:24 AM
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You care to cite just a few of those laws you say the GOP have been passing to suppress the vote? I'd take just 3 or 4 examples if you have them.

Also.. Got a video the audio matches to know he's saying what it sounds like? Or is my system just buggy with youtube again?



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 12:29 AM
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It's a sheet of paper you fill out before voting and literally right in the middle of the paper are two check boxes asking you two fill in which form of Identification you used. Check box one is for license box two for the last four of your SS#. It's clearly labeled and nearly impossible to screw up, I Voted early. I don't think it could possibly be any easier to fill out. Are Democrats not capable of filling out their name and marking a box?
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posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 12:39 AM
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I'll be more than happy too oblige with your challenge. Here is a short list of the GOP effort and laws to suppress voters:

How GOP voter suppression could win Florida for Romney

The Extent of Voter Suppression in This Election

ALEC: Alive and Well and Pushing Voter Suppression In Minnesota

As Election Nears, Voter Suppression Efforts Kick Into Gear

The Fraud That Failed

Jay Bookman Ohio voter-suppression laws give GOP’s game away

(R) Admits Voter ID Laws About Helping Romney Win Election


This voter id law was recently struck down by the courts.

Yes, these laws do exist.



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 12:42 AM
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You failed to mention why they are doing this. Right now Adolph Hitler is a registered voter in Ohio. Something really does need to be done about this kind of shenanigans. They have no clue just how many voters are fake. And how would you feel if those fake voters were just enough to swing the election? In other words, the winner would not really be the true winner. This is the true crime.

Plus I would hope that they would require simple ID. Such as a mailed letter with your address on it. If so, what is the harm?
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posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 12:52 AM
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Originally posted by elouina
You failed to mention why they are doing this. Right now Adolph Hitler is a registered voter in Ohio. Something really does need to be done about this kind of shenanigans. They have no clue just how many voters are fake. And how would you feel if those fake voters were just enough to swing the election? In other words, the winner would not really be the true winner. This is the true crime.
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You failed to see the thesis statement. I don't really blame you for it since it isn't really given, unless you fully read the article. Here it is though: John Husted changes the rules for provisional ballots to make it harder for the largely democratic vote to be counted, so that Mitt Romney could win the Ohio Electoral vote.



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 09:49 AM
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Here's an article from cleveland.com:


Voters will be obligated to write on the provisional ballot form what type of ID they show at the polls and not rely on poll workers to do it for them, according to the directive issued late Friday afternoon.

Some voter advocates are crying foul. Attorney Subodh Chandra said he has asked a federal court to throw out the measure.

Matt McClellan, press secretary for Husted, said the secretary of state has not added a new regulation. He said the directive was needed because of recent court rulings, so that poll workers know what is expected of them.

Chandra said Husted has ordered county boards of elections to reject provisional ballots when the form is not properly filled out.


I don't see how anyone can think that this is isn't a big deal. It just irritates me to no end.
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posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by CincinnatiReds
I don't think it could possibly be any easier to fill out. Are Democrats not capable of filling out their name and marking a box?


I honestly think this is part of the problem with liberals in general. If a person can't (won't) take the time to read through and fill out a simple form and ensure that it is correct what does that say about their intellect? Should these mighty intellectuals be voting to begin with? These are the people the left courts for their vote – because they won’t do any research for themselves they just go with who will give them the most from the treasury.

Personally, I think there should be a general knowledge test on US government and history along with a part on the current candidates, where they stand on certain issues and basic biographical data. Heck interviews on the street indicate that most people don't even know the 3 branches of government nor the way the electoral college works or even the most basic of information about our government.

The sheeple will believe anything the MSM tells them to and currently Barry is their man so the sheep - will baaaa out the responses they are given.



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 11:52 AM
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The provisional ballots in Ohio are to be filled out by the election official, not the voter. Ohio Rev. Code § 3505.181(B)(6)

Here's the shorten version:



Ohio Rev. Code § 3505.181(B)(6) provides that, once a voter casting a provisional ballot proffers identification, “the appropriate local election official shall record the type of identification provided, the social security number information, the fact that the affirmation was executed, or the fact that the individual declined to execute such an affirmation and include that information with the transmission of the ballot . . .

Written by Sunwriter on the Cleveland article posted above.


This, by extension, is in violation according to State law. This is by means, an attempt to suppress the vote. And it's plainly obvious to see.



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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Well, you did reply and I wasn't sure I'd see that much so I appreciate that. We disagree vehemently but I'm sure thats not saying something newsworthy.
Your seeing voter ID laws as suppression.......and I point out you need a Photo ID to enter a venue and see Obama in person. Why is producing that same card to vote for him, or anyone else, such an imposition? When you think about it, voting is the *ONLY* thing in American society of importance, handled on an individual level by name and does NOT require any form of verification that you are who you say you are.

In Missouri here..We DO use paper ballot by the way..(We were at Primary anyway). Unfortunately we do not require photo ID. So, I have a little yellow card with nothing but my printed name. I could run off a dozen of them without even opening Photoshop to make quality adjustments and be perfect 1:1's. In a REAL sense....if I just drop my name....replace with the name of a person I know has no plans to vote....well, then I can vote as many times as I know people staying home (and poll watchers don't see me in the same location twice)

^^^ See how easy the system is to defraud? It took my political science class all of a few minutes to come up with that as just a 'off the top of the head' way to easily fraud the system as it sits now. No one..I hope..will DO that. It's a federal crime. However....ask for a photo ID? Problem solved!

*** As far as Ohio specifically and on their latest?? Ohio screwed this thing 6 ways from Sunday and shouldn't have tried to fix what wasn't broken. Ohio has been voting without serious drama or issue for 200 years. Why just suddenly, are they incapable of handling the process???? Politics. If the GOP is suing, the other side is fighting right back and it takes two to tango. In this case? GOP and DEM can both pretty much stick it for the mess they've made in that state.


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posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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Wrabbit, the problem isn't showing an id, its the barriers to acquiring one if you are really poor, or live in a county that doesn't have a DMV facility. Not only that, statistics show that those would be most likely not to have an State ID are: College students, the poor, minorities, and elderly. In many cases these people would have to pay up to get an ID. Just so they can vote, and if they don't have a birth certificate on them, they will again have to pay to receive one. Adding an additional barrier. There are many stories of elderly who lost their right to vote because they didn't have an state issued ID.

So tell me, should people be denied the right to vote if the person doesn't have an ID on them. Voting is right, not a privilege, and adding any kind of barrier to voting is unconstitutional, period. To stop what, vote fraud. There have been only 10 cases of in person vote fraud in the past 10 years. The most recent being in Iowa, making it the 11th documented case in the last decade.



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by CincinnatiReds
It's a sheet of paper you fill out before voting and literally right in the middle of the paper are two check boxes asking you two fill in which form of Identification you used. Check box one is for license box two for the last four of your SS#. It's clearly labeled and nearly impossible to screw up, I Voted early. I don't think it could possibly be any easier to fill out. Are Democrats not capable of filling out their name and marking a box?
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Here in Washington State, a true blue state mind you, my early voteing ballot stated that if I didn't fill it out TOTALLY correct it would not be counted...seems like a normal event all over.



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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The problem with the voter ID laws that the Republicans have been trying to pass (and have been struck down by the courts, if that tells you anything) is that they put the burden on obtaining the proper ID on the voter.

If you want voter ID laws, then there needs to be zero burden on the voter. If States or the Federal government want to freely deliver voter IDs to voters, than that is fine. But if they are telling people you can't vote unless you obtain one of their "approved" IDs only weeks before the election, that is a direct attempt to supress the vote.

If you are honestly confused about the GOPs effort to suppress the vote, then you are being willfully ignorant.



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by ssj2gohan83


Wrabbit, the problem isn't showing an id, its the barriers to acquiring one if you are really poor, or live in a county that doesn't have a DMV facility.


Ok so a person is so poor that they don't have an ID...never got an SS number, don't have a birth cert....etc etc...
Show me the 10 people like this....why do they even care to vote anyways?

SS card is FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

State ID cost in an average range of 3 to 15 bucks with most FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! once again to those over 60, and many places reduced in cost to the poor.

You are suggesting a person who cares enough to vote has not IN THIER WHOLE LIFE cared about getting a FREE SS card...lol geez.



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by Taiyed

The problem with the voter ID laws that the Republicans have been trying to pass (and have been struck down by the courts, if that tells you anything) is that they put the burden on obtaining the proper ID on the voter.


What is the burden when they can use a free form of ID called SS? I'm all for offering a free ID for those who do not have anything, BUT they still need to show some kind of proof they are an American, that burden is still on them.


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posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 12:39 PM
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Well, lets look at this a bit. You've been professional in your replies and I'll certainly be the same. I even agree with you...to a very well defined point....in your argument on this.

First, what I believe are the outright half-truths here.

* College Students without ID? Okay, on this, someone has to show me a college student without a Photo ID. Just one will do. A current, enrolled and active College student who is attending a physical location. Someone taking online courses through "No Value University" doesn't count.
Among that group. I don't just find this hard to believe...I find it impossible. Just flat out, don't believe it. I need to show a photo ID at school just to talk to faculty who don't know me by sight. Generally, it's the photo ID issued by the school, but it required a state ID to get that one.

* Poor without ID? Here, we have SOME limited agreement. Limited, because some states HAVE tried to address this by offering State issue ID free of charge to those needing it. That is seemingly pushed aside as being insufficient. That baffles me....However, I will absolutely agree that NON-DRIVER State-ID should be available to any citizen, free of charge and on demand. Our taxes should cover AT LEAST the cost of a cheap card with a picture on it.....and so, sure, that's fair. Make it free and the cost issue is moot.

*Elderly without ID? Now, we have a major point of agreement. This IS an issue for that group. My Grandmother is over 90, God bless her. She lives in the Valley outside Los Angeles....and never learned to drive. Her whole life, never once has she driven an automobile. So the idea that every elderly person should, naturally have an ID ..IS silly and wrong. So what solution? Well, the Government finds the way and finds the resources to help the elderly get to medical and other appointments when and as needed. Why can't they offer the SAME thing for both ID's (free to them) and the polling place itself on vote day? Giving those folks a ride....STATE supplied....and the assistance they require to participate seems a small thing to do for our elderly folks, right?


So.. Honestly, tell me this. If the above accommodations were made and I mean sincerely with total good faith, would that go a way toward finding common ground between simply being accepted as you because you SAY you are you.....and showing an ID card we can agree, not everyone has or feels they can get as easily as maybe they should? Those who just don't want to vote...never need to get one anyway. I just propose we make every possible effort, in all 50 states, to see that anyone wanting an ID, has one. Heck..it ought to be that anyway.



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 12:42 PM
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Well chads seem to trip them up, so....maybe.



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
*Elderly without ID? Now, we have a major point of agreement. This IS an issue for that group. My Grandmother is over 90, God bless her. She lives in the Valley outside Los Angeles....and never learned to drive. Her whole life, never once has she driven an automobile. So the idea that every elderly person should, naturally have an ID ..IS silly and wrong. So what solution? Well, the Government finds the way and finds the resources to help the elderly get to medical and other appointments when and as needed. Why can't they offer the SAME thing for both ID's (free to them) and the polling place itself on vote day? Giving those folks a ride....STATE supplied....and the assistance they require to participate seems a small thing to do for our elderly folks, right?


How does your grandmother show proof of who she is when she goes to the doctors or get meds? Also she never got a free SS her whole life? Also does she actually vote?



posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 12:50 PM
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You can't get medical care without some form of identification can you? And if you are covered by Medicare I KNOW you have to have some identification...fact. About the only people who don't have some form of identification in this country are those who don't have the legal right to vote. And I would say that them not voting is a good thing!

Just more hype. If you're on food stamps or welfare you have an ID card as well.

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posted on Nov, 4 2012 @ 12:50 PM
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She has a state ID....I was also noting the ID is just one part of the problem. One of the most common arguments I see people use for Elderly is that they cannot get to a state office to get that ID card. (the reason I mention some folks spent their whole lives never knowing how to drive or needing a license)

Hence, ID or not, my solution is the same form of state supplied transportation elderly patients are eligible to get now for medical needs under Medicare/Medicaid. It can't be that much to add in this world of spiraling numbers, right? Whatever the cost, given the group it's for especially, it seems a small thing for accommodation. If they have ID already, they just need the ride on Voting day, if that. Should solve the Elderly issue then.

Heck..I'm just trying to find any common ground for even folks at our level to see a middle ground for solving this,
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