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posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 12:09 AM
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I came back to share this and give some more perspective. I'm a little taken aback by the reaction to this group.


Mission Statement

True the Vote is an initiative developed by citizens for citizens, meant to inspire and equip volunteers for involvement at every stage of our electoral process. We promote ideas that actively protect the rights of legitimate voters, regardless of their political party affiliation.

We are working to restore integrity to the American system of electing its leaders. With True the Vote, we have, "deconstructed the entire process, focusing on educating voters, examining the registry, recruiting, training and mobilizing election workers and poll watchers, training how to collect data all along the way, then use the data to shape government action and legislative agendas to support desperately needed election code reform."



Who is True The Vote?

Based in Houston, Texas and headed by Catherine Engelbrecht (President), True The Vote is staffed by volunteers all across the country. Essentially, True The Vote is you and me. Every day Americans interested in the integrity of the elections in the home district.
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It's clear some people have strong feelings about the above not being a fair or honest representation of their purpose or nature as an organization. I welcome any of those to offer anything supported or otherwise solid to dispute their own Mission statement and purpose.

Failing that, the fact they have people 100% trained and authorized to stand as observers in the General Election tells me that not only the State of Texas but the U.S. Justice Department DOES recognize them as legitimate. No one who didn't meet that basic threshold would stand for long as an authorized person among the people staffing the polling place.

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*Someone else asked about the Statute, specifically, which covers what they did. The first one is electioneering under Texas State Law. Chapter and verse will have to wait...and I'm not the only one capable of researching it if anyone needs something sooner.


However, in starting to look for an easy answer, I discovered a few things. First, they violated more than one law. Electioneering is one of them....but remaining in the polling place with no status as Volunteer, Staff or voter adds another. The distribution of gifts to voters prior to their vote ...and just to add to it...while engaged in the two above activities to start with, may well add another. Where they are reported to have been in relation to the booths, machines and line......Well, you get the idea.

It's a lot more complex than I'd have imagined on first glance. Violations of law are absolutely not in question. At least 1 as a hard certainty....likely 2 and quite possibly 3 as listed here. That was before I even opened federal code.


Additionally, Section 2 of the Federal Code dealing with Voting law also may well cover this. I simply don't have time to do law research tonight, after finding this actually falls across a much broader set of different laws than I'd first imagined. It's a messy messy thing for people like them when one plays games in a place like this. It's covered by at least THREE distinct and separate jurisdictions and sets of laws that govern it.

Whatever someone does... DO NOT DO IT WITHIN 100 FEET OF THE BUILDING, AND MAKE IT PROPERTY LINE ENTIRELY, TO BE SAFE. Every state has their OWN laws on top of Federal code and some states are...draconian about how they define Electioneering. Texas isn't particularly high on the list of forgiving states.




posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 12:31 AM
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Give me a break...........everytime I hear about this crap that you just spewed , I pick up at a picture of my great grandfather, and im filled with pride that my ancestry has conducted themselves the way they have........and havent spent decades trying to get special treatment playing the victim card......
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Difference is you know who your great grandfather was. Most victims of American slavery do not have that priviledge. Slavery only ended about 150 years ago. So what do you consider the victim card?
I am not speaking of Sharpton and Jackson ( There intentions are often questionable, but those types exist for whites as well.). Are you speaking of black people playing the victim card? If so how do you contend that they play this "victim card"? I know many American Indian brothers and sisters who live on reservations. In some reservations the conditions are similiar to those in urban ghettos. High Crime and addiction are rampamt. I believe that this is do to the social and psychological effects of genocide and other atrocities. Go to the Appalachians you will see the same thing with poor whites. I don't think when people verbalize injustice they are playing the "victim card". Also would you not consider the right to open casinos where others can't special treatment?



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 12:43 AM
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It's clear some people have strong feelings about the above not being a fair or honest representation of their purpose or nature as an organization. I welcome any of those to offer anything supported or otherwise solid to dispute their own Mission statement and purpose


Here ya go:


Verify The Vote, Arizona Elections Task Force is proud to present Catherine Engelbrecht from True The Vote in Houston, Texas. Despite her in demand schedule, she has amazingly agreed to spend three days in Arizona.

Catherine and her group, King Street Patriots, got the Voter ID law passed in Texas that is now under attack by the DOJ. What consequences will this have for Arizona? Come and find out…

www.teapartytribune.com...



Come join us as we enjoy a lunch buffet with Glenn Beck in a fundraiser to build an Emergency Underground Hospital for the Assaf Harofeh Medical Center in Israel. Sponsored by Montgomery County Tea Party and The King Street Patriots. Limited to 250 Guests. Ticket Price $250 per person.


www.kingstreetpatriots.org...



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 01:40 AM
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Okay, well... Replies are always appreciated. I have to say that.

Now... your first citation shows her being the guest of an Arizona Tea Party group to speak. Funny though....Why did you leave off the other paragraph? You included the rest...?


Catherine and her group, King Street Patriots, got the Voter ID law passed in Texas that is now under attack by the DOJ. What consequences will this have for Arizona? Come and find out…

The recall petitions in Wisconsin for Gov. Scott Walker were loaded with bogus signatures. Catherine spearheaded an effort to recruit over 14,000 volunteers nationwide to challenge these signatures. The repercussions were felt all across the country. What does this mean for this and future recall elections? Come and find out…
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I suppose that explains why this woman has some deep deep hate from some on the left. She was instrumental in throwing a wrench into one of the key campaigns of recent years. So, aside from straight ideology, is there evidence she is dishonest or has acted in a way that violates....anything? You present the fact the has spoken at Tea Party events as evidence of....what exactly? We aren't seriously suggesting that everyone to appear at political events opposed to our own ideology is somehow dishonest or a fraud based on that, are we?


The second one..is even more interesting. The need for an Emergency Underground Hospital is what I find interesting. Then again, it's Israel and they do things just a little different than everyone else so maybe not so much.

Here are the event details covering all of it. (You're kinda selective about how you cite things, aren't you? I gotta remember to check your links every time for what else they have in context material)


Break bread with Glenn Beck and at the same time help the Assaf Harofeh Medical Center in Israel to finish the conversion of an underground parking lot into a 400 bed emergency facility. Enjoy a buffet lunch and libations with Glenn and listen to his mission to help Israel. A casual buffet luncheon will be served from 1 to 3pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012. Tickets are limited to 250.

There are 18 tickets available for Sponsorship with private lunch and pictures with Glenn Beck from 12:30 to 1:00 PM.

Glenn will be speaking about his feelings about Israel and it will be live streamed by King Street Patriots.

This event is an extremely worthy cause, with net proceeds going to Health to Israel, a Texas 501(c) (3), which supports the Assaf Harofeh Medical Center. Each ticket sold will be considered a $200 tax-deductible contribution.
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I certainly understand the almost unmatched hatred the left has for Glenn Beck. Personally, he's as much a source of information as anyone else in Media to me. He gets some right....he gets some wrong. Hence....Glenn is no MORE reliable than anyone else to me, either. Simply being involved with one of his events is evidence of...what?


Do you have anything showing REAL misconduct and not simply a Political organization being....political? You're attempting to attack them as a source for news as they stood as authorized observers in an Official polling place. You'll have to find something with real wrong doing....or at least the very strong implication of it? These examples show me they were instrumental and successful in rooting out signature problems in Wisconsin (which I followed very closely as a story at the time) and they were involved with Beck in a charity event for a new Hospital. Hmmm... Sound like decent people, overall?

(I get it...they're black to your white in politics...Oil to your water...but that doesn't make them dishonest)



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 02:04 AM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
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Okay, well... Replies are always appreciated. I have to say that.

Now... your first citation shows her being the guest of an Arizona Tea Party group to speak. Funny though....Why did you leave off the other paragraph? You included the rest...?


Catherine and her group, King Street Patriots, got the Voter ID law passed in Texas that is now under attack by the DOJ. What consequences will this have for Arizona? Come and find out…

The recall petitions in Wisconsin for Gov. Scott Walker were loaded with bogus signatures. Catherine spearheaded an effort to recruit over 14,000 volunteers nationwide to challenge these signatures. The repercussions were felt all across the country. What does this mean for this and future recall elections? Come and find out…
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I suppose that explains why this woman has some deep deep hate from some on the left. She was instrumental in throwing a wrench into one of the key campaigns of recent years. So, aside from straight ideology, is there evidence she is dishonest or has acted in a way that violates....anything? You present the fact the has spoken at Tea Party events as evidence of....what exactly? We aren't seriously suggesting that everyone to appear at political events opposed to our own ideology is somehow dishonest or a fraud based on that, are we?


The second one..is even more interesting. The need for an Emergency Underground Hospital is what I find interesting. Then again, it's Israel and they do things just a little different than everyone else so maybe not so much.

Here are the event details covering all of it. (You're kinda selective about how you cite things, aren't you? I gotta remember to check your links every time for what else they have in context material)


Break bread with Glenn Beck and at the same time help the Assaf Harofeh Medical Center in Israel to finish the conversion of an underground parking lot into a 400 bed emergency facility. Enjoy a buffet lunch and libations with Glenn and listen to his mission to help Israel. A casual buffet luncheon will be served from 1 to 3pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012. Tickets are limited to 250.

There are 18 tickets available for Sponsorship with private lunch and pictures with Glenn Beck from 12:30 to 1:00 PM.

Glenn will be speaking about his feelings about Israel and it will be live streamed by King Street Patriots.

This event is an extremely worthy cause, with net proceeds going to Health to Israel, a Texas 501(c) (3), which supports the Assaf Harofeh Medical Center. Each ticket sold will be considered a $200 tax-deductible contribution.
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I certainly understand the almost unmatched hatred the left has for Glenn Beck. Personally, he's as much a source of information as anyone else in Media to me. He gets some right....he gets some wrong. Hence....Glenn is no MORE reliable than anyone else to me, either. Simply being involved with one of his events is evidence of...what?


Do you have anything showing REAL misconduct and not simply a Political organization being....political? You're attempting to attack them as a source for news as they stood as authorized observers in an Official polling place. You'll have to find something with real wrong doing....or at least the very strong implication of it? These examples show me they were instrumental and successful in rooting out signature problems in Wisconsin (which I followed very closely as a story at the time) and they were involved with Beck in a charity event for a new Hospital. Hmmm... Sound like decent people, overall?

(I get it...they're black to your white in politics...Oil to your water...but that doesn't make them dishonest)


Who said anything about misconduct? Sorry no left right here just responding to your post about her being fair. I read your link and googled her name to see who she was. She definitely has a poltical agenda. My intention was only to show her connection to certain groups gives her a biased perspective. I only used partial quotes because I wanted to show her affiliation to extreme conservative groups. That's why I provided links. You tried to give the impression that she is fair and her only intention is for the rights of the people. I believe she only fights for those rights if they fit her ideology. My post was to show that this is woman is a member of a right wing group. So her story has to be taken with a grain of salt since only the right wing blogs are reporting this story and she would have motivation to lie to support her cause. The Glenn Beck connection was the icing on the cake. I actually used to like him then he got on the drama bandwagon.



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 02:16 AM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
This is an interesting story and I hope it's as rare as it is obscene.


HOUSTON, TX - Friday afternoon at an early polling place located at 6719 W. Montgomery Road in Houston, NAACP members were seen advocating for President Barack Obama according to volunteer poll watchers on location at the time.

According to Eve Rockford, a poll watcher trained by voter integrity group True the Vote, three NAACP members showed up to the 139 precinct location with 50 cases of bottled water and began handing bottles out to people standing in line. While wearing NAACP labeled clothing, members were "stirring the crowd" and talking to voters about flying to Ohio to promote President Barack Obama.


This is, without question, a violation of United States Federal Law. It's not mere regulation, rule or ordinance. It is federal law. The Federal law HAS NO MISDEMEANOR defined as such. Every Federal Crime is a Felony. I hope people keep that firmly in mind this election.


At this point, NAACP members were instructed to turn their clothing inside out, which they refused to do and said they weren’t going to stop their actions inside the polling place. Their behavior and actions to move people to the front of the line continued for the rest of the evening. Texas State Representative Sylvester Turner, a former Texas NAACP leader, was also seen outside the building talking with voters.

“The NAACP basically ran this poll location and the judges did nothing about it,” Rockford said.
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It sounds to me like those running that polling place need to be suspended from any such duties for the rest of this election period, if not permanently. This is an election where riots are threatened. Pastors and Comedians alike are making threatening statements on national television (however they'd like to play it off later). It's more important now than EVER before that there be *NO* polling place funny business tolerated.

To borrow a line from our Orwellian Aunt Janet.....If you SEE something, SAY something. MORE importantly...If you see something FILM IT! ! Pics or it didn't happen has never been more critical than now.

Don't ignore it and don't let it be someone else's problem. Republican or Democrat. It doesn't matter. This is YOUR nation as much as the other guy's. Help keep it that way and help keep ^^^THIS criminal activity from happening any more this cycle. It's only our nation as long as we stand to keep it.

(Hops off soapbox)


I would hope that the FEDS, despite who's in office or the outcome of the election, would find out who these people were and bring them to JUSTICE ! And if the NAACP screams or plays the RACE card in it, I hope they are charged as CO CONSPIRITORS in the whole mess. That ought to SHUT THEM UP.



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 03:22 AM
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We totally missed each other then.... As you quoted in your own for what you were specifically replying to, I'll repeat here for reference.


It's clear some people have strong feelings about the above not being a fair or honest representation of their purpose or nature as an organization. I welcome any of those to offer anything supported or otherwise solid to dispute their own Mission statement and purpose


Since you quote this, I naturally read your reply as having to do with that. In other words, I'd asked if anyone could offer a solid and supported evidence to dispute their own Mission and statement of purpose.

Your links ...support them, not dispute them. That's what confused me. You basically sold them to any conservative who wasn't already interested, by my take. Heck, you managed to sell me...and I'd only looked at them casually before sourcing. After doing the research I needed to confidently and actively back them as a source in our discussion here...I'm likely going to give them a call now. It turns out, they describe themselves as doing precisely what I plan to BE doing for the next 4 years in outreach and voter education. Why not join a group?


Likewise though, as noted, a Democrat or Republican poll watcher is about as non-political as the President himself. Does that mean the Democrat or Republican is, by their affiliation, a criminal or a crook? Not to be trusted or dishonest? Well, of course not. I'd take issue with anyone who said otherwise. So, why would a TPM affiliated observer be any different? The only thing that has changed is their personal ideology. (shrug)

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posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 05:28 AM
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Brace yourselves for a backlash, a breakdown in law and order and marshal law.
Get your Winchester out



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 06:59 AM
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Calls from Republican Congressman Jeff Flake's campaign instructed Democratic voters to cast ballots at the wrong polling locations

lots of sneaky stuff going on, republicans have to cheat to win...there are not enough registered republicans to ever win fairly.


www.youtube.com...



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 07:10 AM
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BRAVO!

I am not going to get into the race side any further. But your statement is truthful and outstanding. There is no doubt that groups whose mission statement is to "advance" any group may have something to gain by not advancing as much as could be.



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 07:14 AM
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Originally posted by cornucopia
Calls from Republican Congressman Jeff Flake's campaign instructed Democratic voters to cast ballots at the wrong polling locations

lots of sneaky stuff going on, republicans have to cheat to win...there are not enough registered republicans to ever win fairly.


www.youtube.com...


Do you know anything about the Electoral College? If you do, then you would understand that your statement has no worth. The State of Texas is going to go Romney's way, no matter what the NAACP does. It is why I don't vote for the POTUS, choosing to only select votes for local elections.



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 07:19 AM
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Originally posted by cornucopia

lots of sneaky stuff going on, republicans have to cheat to win...there are not enough registered republicans to ever win fairly.


www.youtube.com...


You don't have to be a registered Repub to vote Republican. You just have to be a registered voter.

Ever heard of the Reagan Democrats, or the Blue Dogs?

I'm a registered Democrat, but always vote for those who are in line with my values and beliefs. Whether they be Republican, Democrat or Independent/Third Party.

And this election, I voted for only one Democrat, and she was a judge. The rest were liberatarion, republican or independent.

At the local level, I could not vote for any incumbent democratic candidate as they are just to corrupt. They have destroyed this city.



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 09:23 AM
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C'Mon...

(1) "TowbHall.com" is not journalism...it is idealogical propaganda...I don't read the far left trash either.

(2) Handing out water is not electioneering.

(3) You are telling me that the NAACP decides to risk arrest of its members and expensive law suits to sway the presidential election in HOUSTON TEXAS??? NOT FL, OH, WI...BUT TEXAS where Romney has a 20 point lead??? I Call BS.

In the idealogical fiction cateragory: A+ for exageration, C+ for writing style, F for believability...the premise makes no sense.
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posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
I came back to share this and give some more perspective. I'm a little taken aback by the reaction to this group.


Mission Statement

True the Vote is an initiative developed by citizens for citizens, meant to inspire and equip volunteers for involvement at every stage of our electoral process. We promote ideas that actively protect the rights of legitimate voters, regardless of their political party affiliation.




It's clear some people have strong feelings about the above not being a fair or honest representation of their purpose or nature as an organization. I welcome any of those to offer anything supported or otherwise solid to dispute their own Mission statement and purpose.





True the Vote is a grassroots initiative spun out of a Houston, Texas-based Tea Party organization called King Street Patriots. Its focus is on training volunteers to serve as poll watchers on Election Day and inspecting voter registration rolls for hints of inconsistency to flag to elections officials.

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But many of the group’s tactics have come under fire for intimidating would-be voters and raising the specter of voter suppression. True the Vote has been backed mainly by Republican lawmakers and opposed by voting advocates that warn of minority disenfranchisement.

www.propublica.org...

And here is an expose on Truethevote by the NYT
www.nytimes.com...



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by Indigo5
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C'Mon...

(1) "TowbHall.com" is not journalism...it is idealogical propaganda...I don't read the far left trash either.

(2) Handing out water is not electioneering.

(3) You are telling me that the NAACP decides to risk arrest of its members and expensive law suits to sway the presidential election in HOUSTON TEXAS??? NOT FL, OH, WI...BUT TEXAS where Romney has a 20 point lead??? I Call BS.

In the idealogical fiction cateragory: A+ for exageration, C+ for writing style, F for believability...the premise makes no sense.
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Hmmm...

Ouch.. On #1. I stated....this story was first posted at a site I work at. That site is based miles from this location. I posted this with some PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE from those I work with, for what the local conditions, tone and attitude is in the Houston area. Almost anywhere else in the nation and I'd be entirely without means of knowing more than the typed words on their website. Not so here. I stand behind the report...and find it obscene that "It's conservative" is literally the best you or the anyone has been able to do in showing this isn't credible.
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On #2.. Electioneering is very broadly defined. They should have checked that. Wearing T-shirts of any kind that carries Political message, advocacy OR POLITICAL AFFILIATION is illegal. That is Texas state law, for starters. That is electioneering and that is, flat out, what they are guilty of. To START. Last I checked, the NAACP does participate in partisan political events. Yeah. That's electioneering and why the story mentioned turning their shirts inside out HAD been ordered....if only as real effort by the observer to have anything done. They refused that, by reports. The story also says they advocated for Obama. Well...If they said Obama's NAME..just once..they violated electioneering law.

Electioneering isn't a joke or some technicality to play games about. Case history of examples show the courts err on the side of total and 100% impartial polling places, free from even the suggestion of pressure or advocacy of ANY kind.

Would YOU have had ANY problem guessing who these people supported? That alone is your answer in electioneering. If you know, they crossed the line. That isn't the *LAW* but that's damn sure how case law reads for the way it's interpreted and used.

-These people weren't volunteers, recognized by any election authority to be there. They were not staff and they were not voters in the process of casting a vote. They were imposing themselves into a space governed by multiple jurisdictions and enough overlapping laws to where I gave up trying to see how MANY things they could have been violated on for what they did. I'll probably get back to that tonight. Not sure.

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On #3. This, I'm just surprised...and sad. I had the impression you read the full threads before actually attacking people. I said, clearly, I do NOT believe it was the National NAACP or that the NAACP as an organization knew anything about this I doubt they would EVER have approved it if they had been asked. It's foolish, ill conceived and illegal. Blatantly so. I have no doubt the National NAACP would have squashed this whole idea like a roach and well in advance. Obviously, the people in the local office didn't ask higher ups....or I'm giving them too much credit for avoiding this conduct.

By the way, it was my 3rd message, first page, after the OP. a reply to Taiyed. Please read my threads in the future before attacking me on them. You may find your point has been asked, answered and more than once. In this case, I have answered it once for your third point and this is the 3rd time addressing your second point and the second time on your first point. Say that three times fast.


Your addition is, as always, appreciated though. It takes opinions from all sides to make a discussion.
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posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 10:50 AM
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He does have a point. Obama has absolutely ZERO chance of winning Texas. I cant believe that hes running commercials here, I see at least one a day.



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by Juggernog
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He does have a point. Obama has absolutely ZERO chance of winning Texas. I cant believe that hes running commercials here, I see at least one a day.


but the point is that people acted in contrast with election law.

and, to me at least, it is the second election in a row where we have seen this type of thing. Recall the Black Panthers in Philly last election cycle.

For me, to not align myself with the principles displayed by Obama followers is as good a reason as any to not vote for the man.
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posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 11:00 AM
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Indigo...On your links.You''re selling me on the group. In fact the more of these links I see the more I wonder if I might want to support them more than simply trying to coordinate outreach efforts. One of your links shows they have a terminal issue with fund raising. They have little of it. That tells me they aren't shills or paid stooges to said the least. That has money behind it....and they don't. (Your own links show that...Mine didn't)

They strike me as the group they claim to be, in every way. If you can dispute that, great...nothing there does. In fact, your second link even throws out a sloppy suggestion that maybe they were the source of voter intimidation complaints in past elections. It tosses out TOTAL complaints...and then, later, admits they can't say how many ..if any... came from THIS group. Now what source is being blatantly insincere and misleading?


Now...Please read this carefully...It comes from your OWN source, and keep in mind what you've just said yourself about the NAACP member's presence being irrelevant and meaningless at the Poll Place...when they had NO official role to even be present:


By the fall 2010 election, volunteers again appeared to focus on minority neighborhoods, this time as election observers, Mr. Ray said.

“The first day of early voting, at many of the 37 locations, primarily in minority neighborhoods, dozens of poll watchers showed up sent by King Street Patriots,” Mr. Ray said.

The influx of white election observers in black neighborhoods caused friction with voters and poll workers, bringing back memories of a time when racial intimidation at the polls was commonplace in the South, said Gerald M. Birnberg, a lawyer and former chairman of the Harris County Democratic Party. True the Vote has strongly denied that it has engaged in voter suppression.

“Whether that was the intention or just born of some innate paranoia is largely irrelevant,” Mr. Birnberg said. “That’s how it was perceived by people at the polls.”
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This is how people react when they showed up as official and authorized observers. So...No one has any right to say boo about the NAACP people and their conduct as described in the OP story? C'mon....

The mere fact that observers with White skin...nothing more...just being White is cited as causing friction and reminding them of racial inimidation. All they did was appear and as authorizaed observers...in WISCONSIN of all places. This isn't Rural Georgia with a rich history of such things to strike a nerve in the community.

Yet..You suggest what the people did in Houston was not a problem? Your words:


(2) Handing out water is not electioneering.

(3) You are telling me that the NAACP decides to risk arrest of its members and expensive law suits to sway the presidential election in HOUSTON TEXAS??? NOT FL, OH, WI...BUT TEXAS where Romney has a 20 point lead??? I Call BS.


I left the snarky comment "grading" me out of it. On this though, I will say...I'm the one calling B.S.. Your sources don't support a negative image of the people observing the polls, beyond their pure ideology. When that is the best argument, it's a failed one. From the start and from either side of the political spectrum.


BTW... the last paragraph of This One is where they make the sloppy implication. and this one is the story they reference as a basis....which has NO actual basis to back anything about this specific group beyond insinuation and the suggestion by connecting the stories. HUGE fail on the New York Times for that one, as a side note
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posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 11:06 AM
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@Thread
Sorry to quick post replies like this.... I'm pressed for time in a huge way.

@ Juggernog

You have an outstanding point and one I can't argue. Texas is as Red for a state as New York is Blue. That isn't necessarily the case though, within Texas. Houston is among those cities that is definitely not so red that it borders on burgundy. lol..... They could have been there as much for local elections and issues as the Presidential one. Since, as you note, there wasn't much point on Obama vs. Romney.

That is just one of many many races on these General Election tickets though. From a local perspective of real effect on daily life, it can even be argued it's the least important of them.
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posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 11:25 AM
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I understand the possible criminal aspect of this issue, maybe if there is a big enough fuss made about it the Texas AG will open an investigation but I wouldnt expect the POS US AG to do anything about it, after all it involves black people and a black orginization.
This is the most racist and divisive administration that ive ever seen





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