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Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by magickmaster
There's no evidence to back your story. It's only your word and why should we trust a drug-dealing felon who admits to lying? Plus, you're story proves nothing other than you'll do whatever it takes to get out of trouble.
How do we know the cop was a Mason? You never said so if anything this was a lying non-Mason pulling the wool over another non-Mason so your point is moot. Plus, it was only criminal of YOU since you are the one who lied. Nor do our Oaths and Obligations overpower our oaths we take if we are public service.
You have no leg to stand on on this issue. Your story is full of more holes than Swiss cheese. You also seem to have some conflicting posts about the Masons and your using them. You don't seem like a person with much integrity. You're story is essentially, you committed a crime, lost your vehicle, lied about being a Mason to a non-Mason to get your car back, and then you condemn the Masons for corrupt behavior. Yeah, that sounds totally legit.
Originally posted by Sauron
Sir if the car or van? with the Masonic license plates attached to it was impounded as you say.
It would only have been released to the legal tittle owner of the vehicle, not your girlfriend or yourself.
Unless the car/van was yours, but you stole the plates as well.
An excellent point.edit on 6-11-2012 by KSigMason because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Sauron
reply to post by magickmaster
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
Sir if the car or van? with the Masonic license plates attached to it was impounded as you say.
It would only have been released to the legal tittle owner of the vehicle, not your girlfriend or yourself.
Unless the car/van was yours, but you stole the plates as well.
How can anyone take what you have to say seriously after you admit to being a drug dealer, and a liar.
This is hardly a position I would want to be in, If I wished to expound on the evils of Free Masonry.
I'm still waiting for you to provide your names and source from your last post in this thread?
post by magickmaster
We'll, in fact I lied all the way,
I believe you.
I think I understand your problem,,, that is you can never be one of us
As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
edit on 6/11/2012 by Sauron because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by magickmaster
Well, I'd want to start telling the truth for once, but if you wish to continue on with this farce then please provide more than just your word about the "Lies and theft of the Shriner's". Please provide sources, evidence, links, something about how they have stolen from families and children.
reply to post by magickmaster
We're inclined to believe it because you admitted to it. Why would we believe an admitted liar? That is just asking for trouble.
The rest of your story proved nothing. You, pretending to be a Mason, lied to a non-Mason to get your car back. This does not prove that the Masons protect their own. It only proves you lied to a cop and got your car back for a cheaper price. What you're doing is called "projection". You're projecting your bad behavior and condemning others for it.
I'm sure they are just as riveting and believable as this first one.
reply to post by magickmaster
Haven't you ever heard about stopping while your behind. You keep digging this hole.
Originally posted by magickmaster
No, lied to a Mason, not a non-Mason. And my Shriner's stories could bring down the entire organization, so I hold onto those more tightly.
Clearly, the cop wasn't a Mason.
and he told me, "Is that the organization that has all those secrets?"
Originally posted by magickmaster
reply to post by network dude
Where do you want me to start?
With the Lies and theft of the Shriner's?
How they steal from families and children?
I can start there, if you like.
Originally posted by magickmaster
And yes, those Mason Plates were stolen...off other Masons cars. lol
edit on 6-11-2012 by magickmaster because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by network dude
Originally posted by magickmaster
And yes, those Mason Plates were stolen...off other Masons cars. lol
edit on 6-11-2012 by magickmaster because: (no reason given)
I cannot help but wonder what would make a person admit to breaking the law multiple times in a public forum that has rules against such things?
Drug dealing, theft, obtaining property under false pretenses?
I hope the ban hammer finds you well.
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by network dude
Ironically I just finished writing a paper on the Social Control or Social Bonds Theory of Criminal Behavior analysis.
reply to post by magickmaster
Well, I'm sure his wish for you to be banned has nothing to do with a fear of exposure that you may bring, but rather you've done nothing, but troll and provided nothing of substance to this site.
Originally posted by darkhorserider
Originally posted by violence=answer
Easy:
Do you like the direction and actions of the united states banking and government (especially in the last few years)?
No, and neither do any of the Masons I know. Most of them are strong Tea Partier types, with a few Blue Dog Democrats, and some third partiers like me.
Would you like to know what single outside organization primarily had members of out government and banking?
Yes, please enlighten us, but don't say Masons, because there have only been 14 Masonic presidents, and it has been a very long time since the last one. There are no Masons on the SCOTUS that I can think of, and there have been no recent chairmen of the Fed that were Masonic. BUT, if there is some outside organization, then please tell us about it.
Do you like being lied to by important people?
Nope. Luckily Masons take an obligation to be honest, upright, and forthcoming in their dealings with all people.
Do you agree with the Georgia guide stones?
Yes, I actually do, and I don't see how anyone could disagree? If there is some massive event that almost destroys the human race, but some people are left to try and rebuild without repeating our mistakes, then the messages on the Guidestones, as well as its use as a cipher, could be very useful.
It has nothing to do with Masonry though. None of the things on the stones have any relation in the tradition of Masonry.
How do you feel about secrets and being deceived?
I think we already covered this, but I'll expound. Are secrets and being deceived equivalent? I don't think so. My PIN code for my ATM card is a secret, but I'm not being deceptive if I refuse to share it with you. Masons have secrets, families have secrets, businesses have secrets, individuals have secrets, but only a select few are actually deceptive. What a wicked web we weave when one practices to deceive. Or something like that is what my Mom used to always say. I've never known a deceptive Mason.
How about the tactics of divide and conquer and order out of chaos used against our own citizens and others? The great seal of the u.s.?
Hate it. Blame the two-party system and the election finance reform that just made things worse. It is almost impossible for a 3rd party candidate to have any real influence these days. The great seal of the US was done by an artist who was NOT a Mason. You can search ATS for that one yourself, or maybe the other guys will chime in with the pertinent facts.
Seems you and I agree on about everything, except you are scared of the boogeyman under the bed, and you've given him a name, instead of coming out into the light and seeing him for what he really is.
Those are questions I would ask the people that talked to you, and would talk to me if I wore that shirt.
I am sure that masons DO lie about being masons, and hide it in symbols and signs and i am sure masons lie about these symbols and signs...
Originally posted by no1smootha
reply to post by jinni73
To clarify, only regular Freemasonry requires a statement of belief in God, Continental Freemasonry aka clandestine or irregular doesn't have this requirement nor is it exclusive to men only.