Questions for the Neo Commissars

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posted on Nov, 3 2012 @ 01:11 AM
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I occasionally come across an ATS post where it is claimed that “communism is not bad,” but the explanation substantiating such belief tends to be either nonspecific or declarative. Given that I’ve come up with a few questions that focus on communism, and I’m hoping some of the ATS members who maintain that “communism is not bad” will answer them.

1) Is there a difference between the economic social order of communism when compared with the economic social order of socialism, or are they essentially one and the same?

2) What is your standard for that which you describe to be good when related to a social order? Please be as specific as possible.

3) What about bad? Again, please be specific as possible.

4) What is it about the economic social order of communism that is good?

5) What is it about the system of communism that is good?

6) Which of the following economic social orders have produced the greatest aggregate increase in standard of living: communism or capitalism?

I am requesting that you focus on the questions I’ve asked, but recognize that it’s your prerogative to reply as you see fit. Also, it’s perfectly cool with me if want to post a link or two that expounds on communism, but request that you supplement links with a brief summary so that I may understand how it relates with your belief that communism is not bad.

Last, I’m not going to debate, argue, or otherwise question why you believe communism is not bad. I may ask follow-up questions to clarify a point you or an author you cite makes that I don’t understand, but I’m not going to debate. If you’d like to know why I believe a capitalist social order is preferable to a communist social order (why one is good and the other is bad) then my abbreviated reply is “See question number six.” For purposes of this thread, however, I’m focused on why you (provided this applies to you) believe communism is not bad.

Thanks for the input.




posted on Nov, 6 2012 @ 05:32 AM
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Originally posted by Kovenov


1) Is there a difference between the economic social order of communism when compared with the economic social order of socialism, or are they essentially one and the same?

Marx, the father of all socialist thinking, believed that Communism must come out of Socialism, be its end product. Honestly, you only have to look him up, and read, because all the sources you could name will mention this point.


2) What is your standard for that which you describe to be good when related to a social order? Please be as specific as possible.

In terms of a socialist order you mean? Its simple. This would be an economy where everyone has the same quality of life, and the same amount of power to alter his or her destiny. In its ideal form, it would be a social order with no top, which decides its direction according to the will of the WHOLE of the people, and can never be taken over by a rich or powerful few. Essentially, it would be a highly democratic, and utterly incorruptable system, which insists that workers earn fair wages also. You may not find these familiar tenents of the socialist method, but thats because the whole idea has been hijacked by tyrants in the past. It has never been implemented correctly, which is why we see so much negaitivity from nations which have it, or had it.


3) What about bad? Again, please be specific as possible.

A poor social order would be one which allows small numbers of individuals to gain the overwhelming percentage of money, and by extention power over thier fellow countrymen. A poor social order would be one in which the right to have shelter, heat , and light, is not a right but an honour, of which many are unworthy. A poor social order relies on economic growth, rather than being happy with stability, reaching a point and leveling out... Pretty much the way the world works now.


4) What is it about the economic social order of communism that is good?

Well, the thing I like about it, is that it has the potential to be perfectly fair, whereas capitalism has no potential for fairness and equality, because it relies on one small group earning more than the masses by enormous margins, to provide a central power structure.


5) What is it about the system of communism that is good?

As it stands, the only systems that exist at the moment, or have existed in the past, have been poor and unfaithful representations of the ideals of communism. The best thing about it potentially, is that a communist system would cost an awful lot less to implement, than the capitalist systems that we are running. In my nation, because we are capitalist, and sell the right to supply our government departments to private companies, we are loosing tens of BILLIONS of pouds a year from our various government deparments, due to bad contracts.


6) Which of the following economic social orders have produced the greatest aggregate increase in standard of living: communism or capitalism?

As of right now, capitalism. However, that is largely based on the expirience of the few, rather than the many, and relied on everyone reporting improvements to earn even more money. The only reason capitalism wins out on this front, is because, as I mentioned above, communism has never been implemented correctly, or purely. Never has it been installed in a perfect way, and it is a perfect beginning which dictates a perfect outcome.





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