Gallup Early Voting results Romney 52% and Obama 46%

Originally posted by PvtHudson

Originally posted by Taiyed
National polls.

The last hope of a desperate supporter.

Which is why the MSM is constantly touting any poll that looks positive for Obama. To the point they're practically running victory laps already. How does it feel to be so controlled by the establishment?

And how does your comment have anything to do with the one you quote?

The first commenter's point is to look at individual swing state polls because the race is so close that it will be decided in this fashion. And yes, I look at news sources that provide this particular information. Just how is this being controlled by the MSM and the establishment? It is you and your fellow travelers who lap up the misinformation of a talk show blow-hard strung out on oxycotin, a "news" network own by an Australian whose committed seria phone hackings, and various blogs and other pundits underwritten by the Koch brothers and Adelson, a sleazy casino-magnate whose lawyers are currently under investigation for perjury. And are you claiming the Koch brothers aren't part of the establishment?

You like to throw out pithy claims and accusations, but you haven't the slightest idea of what you're talking about, or that your jibes apply at least as much to yourself (I'm assuming you are something of a Romney supporter by your post).

The popular vote doesn't matter. It's the electoral count that matters.
Early voting in person favors democrats.
Early voting by absentee favors republicans.

None of the polls or counts matter until the end of the day on Tuesday.
That's the only poll that counts and matters.

(and I predict it'll take a few extra days for all the recounts. Whoever doesn't win will be demanding a recount because it's so darn close ... IMHO )

Originally posted by zigguratvertigo

Originally posted by kimar
How any ATS member could want a Romney win is beyond me.

I tend to feel Romney supporters posting here and other forums that I frequent are either trolls or paid shills.

This kind of talk always makes me laugh. I see people posting 'How Any ATS Member could want an Obama win is beyond me' and I see 'How any ATS member could want a Romney win is beyond me'. And then the posters always go on to say that the person with a different opinion from them MUST be a paid shill or something. You people are proving that Republicans/Democrats are just two sides of the same coin.

Comeon ... different people have different ideas on what is good for the country. Different people have different takes on the candidates and see different qualities/shortcomings in them. That doesn't make them a 'paid shill'. There have been a few here for sure but the vast majority of people are not.

When I look at Romney and Obama ... I see same/same.
Both lie. Both mislead. Both are corporate-crats.
I voted third party. I got told 'How anyone can throw their vote away like that is beyond me'.
Ahhh ATS

OK, so this is one shaky statistic from a single polling company. Please tell me why that's more valid than the in-depth analysis of sites like RealClearPolitics, FiveThirtyEight, Intrade, etc, which give Obama a 65-85% chance of winning the election, or at least a 290 electoral count. I'd like to know why I should put any more value to a single, partial poll over that in-depth analysis - please explain? Are you saying that your 15 minute, google-based, partisan analysis of the election is more valid than the 100s of hours that have gone into the results shown at those sites?

The formats are negotiated between the campaigns; the “moderator” is given a list of acceptable questions and the candidates rehearse the answers. Even the supposed town meeting format is carefully controlled.

If you believe that Obama is a Marxist Muslim from Kenya, nothing he can say will change that opinion. Likewise, if you believe that Romney got rich by laundering drug money for Mexican cartels, you are unlikely to suddenly support his candidacy.

Lets pretend our vote really counts& "they, them,House of Rothchild"that owns everything will let us choose our leader...........

Another factor that might affect the outcome in close votes is voting for a third party candidate. In 1992, Ross Perot took votes away from both sides, but probably took more from Bush 41, ensuring a Clinton victory. It definitely made a difference in the 2000 election. Ralph Nader took virtually all of his votes away from Al Gore and if those people had voted for Gore, the election would not have been close enough for the Bush schemes to be effective.

With the two major candidates being less than desirable to many, there is a strong temptation to say that there is no difference and voting for a third party candidate to make a “statement.” As much as it may pain you, the next president will be Obama or Romney. Accept that reality

reply to post by elouina


LOL your going to be greatly disappointed, Tuesday night. Enjoy your Gallop poll, which monitors people with lan lines who pick up the phone, AKA the elderly which have next to no say in any election. Progressive thinkers will win the election, to bad for you. Talk to me Tuesday I'll come back.

reply to post by elouina


Hate to break it to you but I'm showing this...
ABC and Gallup are the only polls that have him ahead.



Y'all better go strong arm and threaten to fire a few more voting blocks.

Woo Hoo!!!!

Lets go team Romney!!!!



Does it really matter though? "They" decided a long time ago.

Originally posted by kimar
How any ATS member could want a Romney win is beyond me.

So you'd rather see an Obama win? Aren't you aware they're one in the same? You're drinking from the same kool-aid with a different straw.

Wake up.

reply to post by cavalryscout

I hear this "they decided already" argument all the time. Yet, I've never seen any proof. The pic you posted means nothing. The asterisk could mean "Incumbent" for all we know. There is no context.

So, any proof that the election is being, or has been, decided by some secret cabal?

Originally posted by cavalryscout
Woo Hoo!!!!

Lets go team Romney!!!!

Mitt Romney is a felon. Arrest him.

On August 12, 2011, Mitt Romney filed this report with the Federal Election Commission.

Mr. Romney retired from Bain Capital on February 11, 1999 to head the Salt Lake Organizing Committee. Since February 11, 1999, Mr. Romney has not had any active role with any Bain Capital entity and has not been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way.

This statement is false. A lie.
As... reported on July 10th, Securities and Exchange Commission filings show Romney listed as the CEO, president, and sole owner of Bain capital.

You are not "retired" if you are the CEO and president of a company.

Other SEC docs indicate that Mitt Romney drew a salary of "over $100,000" for being CEO of Bain.
That, by definition, is not being retired.

These SEC documents also state that Romney's "principal occupation" was being the CEO of Bain Capital. That, by definition, is not being retired.

Either he lied to the SEC and state of Massachusetts in the early years of the past decade, or he lied to the FEC on August 12, 2011. Mitt Romney from the information available to us, is guilty of a federal crime. He needs to go to court to defend his innocence.

A wealthy member of the 1 percent believes he is above the law and would have us sit idly by while he clearly and flagrantly violates the law.

If Joe poor man lies to the DEA during a drug bust, he goes to jail- even if he was just a witness to the illegal activity.

However, if Mitt Romney lies to the FEC just because he wants to be president, he goes on scott-free, possibly to the presidency.

We should at least expect the people running to lead us to be truthful.

If we don't demand some type of justice here, then what are we about?

What is this nation about?

Would it be lies, and justice for everyone but the privileged?

Originally posted by PrimePorkchop

Originally posted by kimar
How any ATS member could want a Romney win is beyond me.

So you'd rather see an Obama win? Aren't you aware they're one in the same? You're drinking from the same kool-aid with a different straw.

Wake up.

Geez...the guy that isn't perfect or the guy that isn't ethical?

Real tough choice...for the unethical.

Originally posted by ShakaDoodle
Good news indeed! The hope for change is in the air! Now everybody - let's move Forward! Not that I'm all that excited about Romney, but almost anything is better than the anti-American rabbit hole that Obama has been leading us down!

It was clear that the Bush admin was strongly anti-American. I don't see the same from Obama, except that we were already so far gone and he didn't EO out the "destroy America" aspects of those 8 years. So returning back to the same gang under Romney...well, how does that make things any better? More of the same, just with greater benefits for the ultra-wealthy and corporations. Obama's not the one to restore American, but Romney certainly isn't either. I don't know why anyone is excited.

Originally posted by newcovenant
We should at least expect the people running to lead us to be truthful.

Truthful and competent. That leaves Obama out as well. He's neither.

All this right/left back and forth .. pointing at how bad the other guy is.
Pretending your guy isn't just as bad. You guys are funny. They both are sucky.

reply to post by cavalryscout


Romney has a birth certificate, as well, undisputed at that.

Go Romney!!!

Please people, these polls you are looking at are only a sampling of the population. 6000 people interviewed, 30,000 for another. 10,000 for another. They are also heavily slanted toward a geographic area, which often is heavy liberal or heavy conservative. You can literally create a poll with any number of variables, and re-work it till it says what you want.

Romney's got it wrapped up. Please visit this thread if you have any further questions.

Originally posted by Koros


So, any proof that the election is being, or has been, decided by some secret cabal?

Yes, but that's also a secret. It's so naive to think that the all important military/industrial complex
with the most super secret agencies around; don't have some sort of plan to continue their position of supremacy and install whom ever they want in the "spokesman" job of POTUS.

The popular vote is a joke. Just who is on the "electoral college" that ultimately decides who gets the job?
That's also a secret.

reply to post by olaru12


Try this:

The Electoral College is a process, not a place. The founding fathers established it in the Constitution as a compromise between election of the President by a vote in Congress and election of the President by a popular vote of qualified citizens.

The popular vote is superseded by the vote of the Electoral College. The members of Congress decide the next president, not us.

The Electoral College is a controversial mechanism of presidential elections that was created by the framers of the U.S. Constitution as a compromise for the presidential election process. At the time, some politicians believed a purely popular election was too reckless, while others objected to giving Congress the power to select the president. The compromise was to set up an Electoral College system that allowed voters to vote for electors, who would then cast their votes for candidates, a system described in Article II, section 1 of the Constitution.

Read more here.

The new CNN poll has the race tied nationally with a D+11 sample. Hilarious.

A new national poll by Gravis Marketing has the race tied. It has a sample of D+8, with Romney winning independents by 18%.

Stats:
Gravis Marketing National Poll Shows Presidential Race Tied.

reply to post by alternateuniverse


Yes, the national popular vote is going to be nearly tied.

At most, the margin will be 2%, no poll has a MoE of less than that, so they are all essentially saying tied.

This is no big surprise to anyone who understands the election process and the polling process.