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Atomic City Truth: An Example of a Massive and Successful 'Hush' Protocol w/ Bonus Video

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posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 07:07 PM
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Those of you living inside the United States of America, during the time America's first Atomic Bomb was created, will know which city in Tennessee was nicknamed "The Atomic City“. Those of you who still have no idea, the city's real name is Oak Ridge.



Oak Ridge is located in East Tennessee, just outside KnoxVegas (Knoxville) and is home to ORNL (Oak Ridge National Laboratories). This compound was responsible for several key components used to create the Atomic Bomb.


Oak Ridge was established in 1942 as a production site for the Manhattan Project the massive U.S. government operation that developed the atomic bomb. Scientific development still plays a crucial role in the city's economy and culture in general.

The Manhattan was a massive effort to develop a catastrophic WMD (Weapon of Mass Destruction), the Atom Bomb.




The Manhattan Project began modestly in 1939, but grew to employ more than 130,000 people and cost nearly US$2 billion (roughly equivalent to $25.8 billion as of 2012). Over 90% of the cost was for building factories and producing the fissionable materials, with less than 10% for development and production of the weapons. Research and production took place at more than 30 sites, some secret, across the United States, the United Kingdom and Canada.

Two types of atomic bomb were developed during the war. A relatively simple gun-type fission weapon was made using uranium-235, an isotope that makes up only 0.7 percent of natural uranium. Since it is chemically identical to the main isotope, uranium-238, and has almost the same mass, it proved difficult to separate. Three methods were employed for uranium enrichment: electromagnetic, gaseous and thermal. Most of this work was performed at Oak Ridge, Tennessee.


As you can see, Oak Ridge was a very important cog in the production of this terrible WMD. The development of the Atomic Bomb was, by no means, a speedy process.

The United States and the British shared nuclear information, but did not initially combine efforts - this was an international undertaking, between 2 very powerful governments. Hopefully, in just a few minutes, you will understand how important that detail is, relative to this thread topic.

There is more information about the work between the British and the Americans, but it is not important for this thread’s content and context.

We all know just how important the research and development of the A-Bomb was. It had to be buried deeply under a mountain of secrecy. Allowing hostile countries, or even the average US enlisted man or private sector citizen, to gain control of the project’s research would be a devastating blow against the success of war efforts. Losing control of this information had the potential of being the worst mistake ever made in a war campaign.

A strategy had to be developed and followed precisely to keep the information and progress a secret, but how could that be done?… By hiding the ENTIRE city and what was being done there.


The location and low population helped keep the town a secret, though the population of the settlement grew from about 3,000 in 1942 to about 75,000 in 1945, and the K-25 uranium-separating facility by itself covered 44 acres and was the largest building in the world at that time… …All workers wore badges, and the town was surrounded by guard towers and a fence with seven gates.


The task of keeping the secret grew with the population, but it was able to remain secret. 75,000 people were, at least, somewhat aware of the city’s purpose and others knew exactly what Oak Ridge (ORNL) was developing.

Even though tens of thousands of people in Oak Ridge, hundreds or even thousands of people in the U.K., and tens or hundreds of government officials outside Oak Ridge knew what was being developed there - still, the secrecy remained intact.

How is that even possible? How could 100,000+ people keep a secret of this magnitude from being compromised?

The nuclear research and atomic discovery is arguably, in all of history, the most important research and discovery ever performed by humans. Some may say that there is no other event in history that can be put on the same level as the discovery of Atomic Energy.

We have, possibly, the most important advancement in modern material science, over 100,000+ people knew it was being researched and developed, yet the secrecy shrouding the project was never breached?

Sorry if I’m repeating myself, it’s just mind boggling to think a strategy for secrecy can be successful when the number of people involved is over one-hundred-thousand!

To compound my amazement, the project lasted for several years and suffered no catastrophic breach. If a stranger on the street told me this, I wouldn’t believe them - ever.

This is in the 9/11 forum because I believe there has been an argument that it would be impossible to maintain a secret of this caliber when there would obviously have to be thousands of people involved to perpetrate it.

Oak Ridge proves that massive military/government secrecy can be maintained over an extended period of time and with an enormous number of people involved.

9/11 would have required many people working together to accomplish the mission and keep it covered in secrecy in the weeks, months, and years that followed.

After thinking about it a bit, the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima may display many similarities with the 9/11 attacks.

I do not know what had to take place prior to initiating the terrorist attack on NYC, DC, and Penn, but it must have taken plenty of time to create a viable and believable scenario. There would have to be plenty of research, maybe years of research prior to 9/11 - it took plenty of time to research, develop, and produce the A-Bomb.

9/11 took place in a matter of minutes and hours on that Tuesday morning - it took only a matter of minutes and hours to launch the nuclear strikes against Japan.

The aftermath of WTC 9/11 was absolute destruction, killing thousands of civilians, and leaving hundreds of volunteers sick or dead from their rescue/recovery attempts - the aftermath of Nagasaki and Hiroshima was absolute destruction, killing tens of thousands of civilians, and leaving hundreds or thousands of victims sick and dying or already dead.


I just want to add that I am by no means an expert on what took place @ Oak Ridge during the ‘40s, outside what has been documented and archived - even at that, I can’t be certain I am interpreting the accounts correctly. If the Oak Ridge history doesn’t sound accurate to you, please - by all means, have a look for yourself and make up your own mind.

If I correctly understand the records relative to ORNL and the Manhattan Project , 75,000+ were capable of maintaining the secrecy of what could be the pinnacle of human discovery, then keeping a lid on 9/11 seems very plausible.

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posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 07:49 PM
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Continued from Above...

Bonus Material:

This is not directly related to the capability of our government to maintain massive secrets, but it is relative to the 9/11 attacks and the idea that they were an inside job.

Whether you have seen his videos or you have talked to him personally, many of you know AlientScientist and are familiar with his videos. Most people who have followed AlienScientist develop a respect for him and the information he produces and provides us with. He articulates himself well and makes good, compelling arguments to back his ideas.

The video below was recently released by AlienScientist a few days ago and is definitely worth a watch. I am sure there is information included that you already know about, but you will be pleasantly suprised to see information presented that was previously unknown to you.

The video below is titled:

"9/11 Conspiracy Solved: Names, Connections, and Details Exposed!"

Description:






The next video is also from AlienScientist, titled:

"Financial 9/11: Following the Money Trail Deeper Down the Rabbit Hole"

Description: (Long description, found at bottom of this post)

The motivation for this video came from reading Mark H. Gaffney's newest book "Black 911", here is an overview:
www.foreignpolicyjournal.com...





Was 9/11 really an Inside Job? After reviewing this documentary, and checking the evidence, I think the answer will be clear to you.

Special thanks to Michael C. Ruppert, Mark H. Gaffney, and Kevin Ryan for solving the crimes of 9/11 with their amazing research. This video is a compilation of evidence they have uncovered.

"Crossing the Rubicon" - The Decline of American Empire at the end of the age of oil
www.fromthewilderness.com...

"Black 911" by Mark H. Gaffney:
www.foreignpolicyjournal.com...

Was 9/11 an Inside Job?
www.informationclearinghouse.info...

A guide to 9/11 Whistleblowers
www.corbettreport.com...

Project Hammer
decryptedmatrix.com...

WTC 6
www.whale.to...

SEC Act Section 12(k)2:
www.sec.gov...

Richard Grove's testimony (complete transcript)
www.freewebs.com...

"Collateral Damage" by E.P. Heidner
www.wanttoknow.info...

The CIA's forty-year complicity in the narcotics trade by Alfred W. McCOY
www.cob.sjsu.edu...

Executive Order 12333 created an agreement between the CIA and Justice Department (DEA) to look the other way on Government Drug Trafficking: www.fas.org...

AIG and Drug Money
www.fromthewilderness.com...

Maurice Greenberg's report for the CFR
www.fas.org...

Richard Armitage, Frank Carlucci, Herbert Winokur, and company
digwithin.net...

Post 9/11 Promotions:
arabesque911.blogspot.com...

9/11 Gold Theft and other smoking guns:
911review.org...
killtown.911review.org...,1993-WTC_gold

Kevin Ryan's landmark article on who had "Demolition access to the WTC Towers":
Tenants:
www.911review.com...
Security:
www.911review.com...
Convergence:
www.911review.com...
Clean Up:
www.911review.com...

Kevin R. Ryan, et al, Environmental anomalies at the World Trade Center: evidence for energetic materials, The Environmentalist, Volume 29, Number 1 / March, 2009, www.springerlink.com...

Kevin R. Ryan, The Top Ten Connections Between NIST and Nanothermites, Journal of 9/11 Studies, July 2008, www.journalof911studies.com...

Website for In-Q-Tel, www.iqt.org...

Wikipedia page for Jerome Hauer, en.wikipedia.org...

Peter Jennings interview with Jerome Hauer, ABC, on 9/11, 14:53, available on You Tube, www.youtube.com...

Taku Murakami, US Patent 5532449 - Using plasma ARC and thermite to demolish concrete, www.patentstorm.us...

Albert Gibson et al, Integral low-energy thermite igniter, US Patent number: 4464989, www.google.com...

con't next post...



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 07:50 PM
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con't from above:

Michael C. Ruppert, Suppressed Details of Criminal Insider Trading Lead Directly into the CIA's Highest Ranks, October 9, 2001, www.fromthewilderness.com...

Kevin R. Ryan, Mahmud Ahmed's itinerary from his Washington DC visit the week of 9/11, 911blogger.com, 11/27/2009, www.911blogger.com...

The agreement between LLNL and Savannah River can be found here - www.llnl.gov...

Savannah's reference to developing sol-gels can be found here - srnl.doe.gov...

SEC document for Washington pre-payments - www.secinfo.com...

The Ties That Bind, Descended from family business empires, six huge business groups dominate the Japanese economy, Multinational Monitor, October 1983 - multinationalmonitor.org...

Securacomm Consulting Inc. v. Securacom Incorporated, United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, January 20, 1999, 49 U.S.P.Q.2d 1444; 166 F.3d 182, altlaw.org...

Wikipedia page for Stratesec, en.wikipedia.org...

SEC filing for Stratesec, May 2, 1997, www.secinfo.com...

Kroll Inc website, www.kroll.com...



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 07:58 PM
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So because 70 odd years ago the US government was able to keep the secret of the atomic bomb it proves
that the government was responsible for 9/11.....?

Ok - here are some pertinent facts

1) It during a time of a declared war against two mortal enemies Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan

2) At that time citizens were inclined to trust the government more than today. They had not been exposed
to such things as Watergate and other examples of malfeasance

3) The media would not have published the story At that time the media was newspapers and radio, NO TV,
internet, FACEBOOK, cell phones etc The editors and publishers would have spiked the story and the
reporter would probably have been arrested and end up in Levenworth or some other place like that

4) Most people did not even own telephones and those that did had party lines. single telephone line shared by
multiple people. Had to watch what you said because someone may be listening......

Maybe should read up on your history first............



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 08:45 PM
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Did I say it proved the government was responsible for 9/11? - even though I never said that, the fact that government has absolutely proven they are capable of maintaining a shroud of secrecy over the most incedible discovery ever means that they are also most capable of hiding any involvement in an event like 9/11.

This thread is not designed or intended to prove the government's undeniable role or responsibility regarding 9/11.

It is common to see people say that government involvement in 9/11 is impossible, because the cover-up would involve too many people and all those links would be impossible to keep hidden. This thread is simply to address those assertions and show that, not only is it possible to maintain this type of secrecy, it has already been done on a very large scale in the past.

If the government is not involved, it isn't because of an inability to maintain secrecy on a massive scale, where groundbreaking information is involved.

I do believe the government was involved with 9/11, even if they only had prior knowledge, but no involvement. I think they did have some level of involvement, but I am not sure the extent.

I can not prove their involvement, just as I can not disprove it - or prove the involvement or Al-Quaida*. There is a lot of compelling evidence out there, most of it can be accounted for, but some can not. It is the questions that remain unexplained that lead me to believe we are being lied to.

Government innocence isn't proven by their inability to maintain secrecy on a massive scale, because they can and have maintained large scale secrecy in the past - unfortunately, this does not mean they were definitely involved or wholy responsible.

The points you made are largely circumstantial in nature and are only variables in the equation, they do not disprove the fact that government is capable of maintaining large scale secrecy.

People were still humans 70 years ago. They were obviously not stupid then, they knew how to communicate with each other. Cell phones and computers were not always the only way to contact each other and spread information.

If cell phones and other modern tech allow information disemination like never before, then more top secret projects would be revealed by the hundreds or thousands of people work on the projects and with access to computer and cellular communication devices.

The government can and does maintain secrecy on smaller scales all the time and they are capable of maintaining secrecy on a massie scale.
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posted on Nov, 3 2012 @ 02:49 AM
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In fact Project Manhattan leaked from early days with the Russians in particular obtaining a lot of information. Stalin was well up to speed with what was going on :-

www.fas.org...



posted on Nov, 3 2012 @ 02:58 AM
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Originally posted by thedman
So because 70 odd years ago the US government was able to keep the secret of the atomic bomb it proves
that the government was responsible for 9/11.....?


I don't know about Governmental "responsibility".

What I do know is Op did present the one fact that can be determined. 75000 people, kept their mouths shut.


That says something, 20 years ago, 50 or 100.

Secrecy..........



posted on Nov, 3 2012 @ 12:53 PM
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Note that the 75,000 people were isolated in a single location in Tennessee surrounded by fences and guard towers. Some of the reasons the site was chosen was the availability of TVA power, distance from the coasts, and the isolation. Before the interstate highway system, it took some doing to even get there. Communications were tightly controlled. Look up 'WW2 censors' and see if anything like that exists today.
Further, many didn't really know what they were actually doing; only that it was secret. For example, atomic bomb parts were made at government machine shops from different agencies to prevent cross talk and no shop made parts that touched each other in the final assembly. The machinists didn't know what they were making or what it was for; they were given the metal stock, the drawings, and tolerances and asked to make the part. The machinist was kept in the building, which was surrounded by armed guards, while he made the part or parts. He was told that he couldn't talk about the part or that he had made something for a secret program. Parts and all shavings and chips were collected and removed before the machinist could leave. The truck carrying the parts was escorted to the nearest airfield and the parts were flown away by pilots who would deliver them to the next airfield where they would be transferred, under guard, and sent along. Eventually, they reached the final destination for assembly.



posted on Nov, 3 2012 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by Alfie1
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In fact Project Manhattan leaked from early days with the Russians in particular obtaining a lot of information. Stalin was well up to speed with what was going on :-

www.fas.org...



So did 9/11.



posted on Nov, 3 2012 @ 09:04 PM
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Using an example of massive government secrecy, where 75,000 people remained silent to preserve the project's integrity and progress, is sure to bring out comments that oppose the fact that it was the US government, it was a massive project, and it did really happen.

I think that is fair. Admittedly, I don't know the exact details, so opposing opinions could help me understand more of the facts.

ORNL was definitely a high security compound in those days, and it remains that way today. One thing about this particular facility that helps me out is that I live right next to the area.

While the town was very small in those old days and the compound was very quiet, there was still 75,000 people who stayed 'hush'.

Regardless the town's location, keeping 75,000 people almost completely silent would be a major undertaking and even more daunting a task when considering what was being hidden there.

It was not only Oak Ridge National Laboratories that worked on the Manhattan Project, there were many other facilities. There were even other countries aware of the Manhattan Project while it was still in operation. This shows that it was not simply an isolated, back woods research facility with information localized to the specific compound and the employees there.

It may prove easier to keep a huge secret under wraps if everyone who is aware of it are concentrated to a single location and access to the outside population was eliminated. It would be easier, but we must consider that it was still 75,000 individuals and maintaining secret classification with that many informed people would still be a huge accomplishment.

It was a secret that remained hidden, in spite of awareness from a single city of 75,000 people, hundreds to thousands at other facilities across the country, many State and Federal heads, and even had international collaborators invovled.

That is just so big, in my mind... if that can be done, then so could a 'hush' order for 9/11 could be achieved. I guess the only way we will find out is 50-100 years or more down the road, when the implications of inside involvement no longer matter and all the criminals are already dead...





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