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reply posted on 20-10-2004 @ 05:06 AM by billmcelligott
Pike again I have to point out was a hoax:
Actual thought of Pike:
"Masonry does not pretend to be a religion; but it is not irreligious
or irreverent. It does not assume to take the place of any religion,
or claim to make religion unnecessary. To charge it with this is to
libel it. It requires its initiates to believe in one God and a Divine
Providence, and that the soul survives the dissolution of the body.
Thus it teaches those great primary truths on which all religion must
repose; and it inculcates those principles of pure morality which have
commended themselves to the good and wise of all ages." (pike – Ritual
for the Reception of a Louveteau p.14)


Weishaupt was a Jesuit,
He was born and raised in Ingolstadt ! Coat of Arms ! Map |

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He worked at first to divest Freemasonry of its pseudohistorical mumbo-jumbo and reform it. Weishaupt had no use for other occultisms in general: "It is by this scale that we must measure the mad and wicked explanations of the Rosycrucions, the exorcists and Cabalists. These are rejected by all good Masons, because incompatible with social happiness." His project of "illumination, enlightening the understanding by the sun of reason, which will dispel the clouds of superstition and of prejudice" was an unwelcome reform. Soon however he had developed gnostic mysteries of his own, with the goal of perfecting human nature through re-education to achieve a communal state of nature, freed of government and organized religion. He began working towards incorporating his system of Illuminism into that of Masonry, with the aim of spreading his ideals throughout the world. "I did not bring Deism into Bavaria," he wrote, "more than into Rome. I found it here, in great vigour, more abounding than in any of the neighboring Protestant States. I am proud to be known to the world as the founder of the Illuminati."

Layola
www.religiouscounterfeits.org...
The Society of Jesus, the largest Roman Catholic Religious Order, whose members are called "Jesuits", was founded by Ignatius of Loyola. Ignatius was born at Loyola in the Spanish Basque country in 1491. He adopted a military career, and upon being wounded in the leg at the seige of Pampeluna he was obliged to undergo a long convalescence. During this time, he underwent a fantastic "Spiritual Transformation".

THE LOS ALUMBRADOS- "The Illuminated Ones"

Well, there is no way to break this news gently to you, and so I will just go ahead and say it. The Founder of the Jesuit Order, Ignatius Loyola, was a Witch! Literally! Ignatius belonged to a Witchcraft Group called THE ILLUMINATI, in his native tongue called "The Los Alumbrados". (See Encyclopedia Brittanica, Vol. 14, 1910, pg. 320)

Pike was not a Jesuit, he never defamed the Christian church and was a devoted Christian.

The Illuminati which is oft tried to be linked to Freemasonry although there has nevr been any evidence to support the speculation. Is Dufunked and no longer exists except in the theories of the scare mongers and conspiracy propagandists.
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reply posted on 20-10-2004 @ 01:02 PM by Masonic Light
Originally posted by kanga
England 1883 - disagreement arose with rivalry groups, over severance from all church teachings. Three men arose called Pike, Loyola and Weishaupt, who put forward a theology contrary to sound Biblical teaching, to satisfy the spiritually hungry.


To begin with, none of these men "arose in England in 1883." As a matter of fact, in 1883, Weishaupt and Loyola were lond dead, and Pike was an old man who had already retired from his law practice and was teaching political science and civics part time in a Washington D.C. high school.
What "sound biblical teaching" entails is anyone's guess, since everyone has their owns opinions. However, just for the record, Pike was an Episcopalian, Loyola was a Catholic, and Weishaupt was a Deist. Both Pike and Weishaupt were Freemasons, Loyola was not.

They formed from this a constitution that embrased universal religion, a tolerance of all religions and the denial of the deity of Jesus Christ. This was quickly adopted throughout until this present day.


It is true that both Pike and Weishaupt embraced universal tolerance in their approach to religious beliefs, whicj is of course the bedrock of freedom. However, Loyola's beliefs were the exact opposite. He formed the Society of Jesus (Jesuits) as a counter-Reformation organization, its prime objective being to stop the spread of Protestantism.

Freemasonry view the Bible as only a piece of furniture.


The Square, Compasses, and Holy Bible are the Furniture of the Lodge. By this we mean that are so important that, without them, the Lodge is not furnished and cannot be opened, either for business. Therefore it is not "only a piece of furniture"; it is so necessarily essential that no authorized meeting can occur without its presence.

What it says is not to be taken seriously, for it is viewed as only "a symbol of the will of God" The secret Teachings of the Masonic Lodge pge 96 by John Ankerberg and John Weldon. They believe that they can substitute the Bible with the Koran, Vedus or any other writings for they are all in the same light.


Since Lodges exist all of the world, and there are Freemasons of all faiths, the Bible is not "substituted"; the Holy Book of the religion of the nation that Lodge exists is normally used. In Turkey, Lodges use the Quran; in Israel, they use the Tanakh; in the US, Canada, and Britain, the Bible is used.

Fiat Lvx.


reply posted on 20-10-2004 @ 09:05 PM by Masonic Light
Originally posted by Researcher
"This statement is misleading. None of these authors ever spoke of any connection between Freemasonry and the historical organization in Bavaria that called themselves the Illuminati."

Neither did I. Seems like someone's trying to pull a sleight of hand thing here.


You said, and I quote, "Albert Pike, Manly P. Hall, Foster Bailey and J.D. Buck all said the Illuminati control Freemasonry." This is simply not true. Grand Lodges control Freemasonry, not some great school of Adepts or Magi. These authors never claimed that any Illuminati "controlled" Freemasonry; at they time when these men wrote, "illuminati" was a general term to describe all Freemasons, and the word is still used today on Patents of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite.

"Weishaupt was a Jesuit"

Way I heard it, he was a Jew raised by Jesuits. Something that happened in his last year of school turned him away from religion. Wonder what that could be?


Weishaupt was neither a Jew nor a Jesuit. He was raised a Roman Catholic, but abandoned that faith in favor of a scientific worldview as a young adult, eventually becoming a Deist. He graduated from the Jesuit University of Ingolstadt with a doctorate in Natural Philosophy, became a professor there, and eventually Chair of the Philosophy Department. He taught Newtonian physics and secular philosophy instead of Roman Catholic doctrine, which led to his being fired and fined by the Jesuits. It was this that originally instigated him to form a secret society of freethinkers to combat Jesuit control; this society eventually evolved into the Illuminati.

Fiat Lvx.
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