Pakistani parents kill 15-year-old daughter for looking at two boys

Rest still in the arms of a peaceful and loving universe little one. You are now safe and far from the pain and horror.

It is not a new story, I have heard it before, I have seen the photographs, I have read the text that stated the parents and family members were proud of their deeds. Well I am still saddened and still bewildered at how any parent could harm their own Child.

There is not a lot to say about this except that it is so wrong it really steps over the boundaries of evil. I know that there are lots of rotten, evil acts committed daily to people and animals and the earth but I am here to comment on the tragic and senseless death of a little girl - barely a teenager.

When parents lose their senses - for whatever reason - and pour acid on the face of their Child ( I can barely type these words I am so disgusted) it demeans us all because it tells me we have so far to go as a global society. My heart aches to think of all the Children - globally - that endure horrific situations and die slow agonising deaths. My soul is damaged by these realities and it has nothing to do with religion or nationality or beliefs - it has to do with a lack of heart and soul and conscience and empathy and ....

Little One you did nothing wrong and I know I Stand among many many many people who would have defended you in a heartbeat had we known and been there. Guide us in Spirit so that we might all become better humans.

Much Peace...we all need it...

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Wikipedia has a good article on honor killing. It is certainly not confined to Islam and did not start with the Muslims.

The quote below is from another website and covers the situation in Brazil. The "honor defense" is still a potent one in Brazilian courts depending on locality.

www.endvawnow.org...

Article 25 of the Brazil Penal Code defines self defense as a person reacting to “unjust aggression present or imminent to his right or someone else’s.” After Brazil amended its penal code to limit the ability of perpetrators to use the defense of passion or emotion in cases of spousal killings (a claim of “privileged homicide” or “violent emotion right after unjust provocation by the victim” can still be used to mitigate a defendant’s sentence), perpetrators successfully argued that defense of a man’s “honor” is legitimate self-defense. In other words, a woman’s alleged adulterous or similar act and its impact on a man’s honor (a fundamental “right”) are held to be the same as an “unjust” and “imminent” physical act of aggression against the man himself, legitimizing the killing of the woman.

Although higher courts over-turned acquittals based on the “honour” defense starting in the 1950s, and Brazil’s Supreme Court explicitly rejected the “honour” defense in 1991 as having no basis in Brazilian law, it survived in lower courts, particularly in rural areas, where juries (and their social prejudices) have the responsibility to decide homicide cases and judges have broad discretion.

We must stop allowing people to use the term 'honour killing', there's no honour in killing an innocent and its a piss poor excuse for a family to use.

Call it what it is, cold blooded MURDER...

Places like Pakistan and India still judge on how dark your skin is and family honour, yet they fail to get that normal people will judge the parents as bringing the most shame to the family for killing an innocent.

Cruel, barbaric and mostly inbred people..

Originally posted by Ryanssuperman

Originally posted by TheMaverick
So my question is, how do the liberal left at ATS defend this barbaric act and the peace loving muslims ?

Why did you have to bring religion into this? I see nothing here to do with the Islamic religion. Or are you moronic and think every brown person is a Muslim?

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Pakistan is primarily muslim since the split from India. However, in India there have been many reports of husbands burning their wives in the kitchen because of too small a dowry. So, perhaps its more cultural for that area. I do remember a show on Oprah exposing that.

I always scratch my head when I read about honour killings.

They're poor, live in ramshackle houses and have never done anything meaningful in their lives. What honour do they have?

Originally posted by maes2

the relation between honour killing and Islam !

And when the girl [who was] buried alive is asked For what sin she was killed .-Quran:81:7.

honour killing is a dirty tradition of some eastern cultures in which even some Arabs used to buried their girls alive just because of their gender.

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Ignorance at it's finest. The Prophet Muhammed advocated against child burying and that verse was AGAINST child burying. Its funny how people like you are stupid enough to not even look at the context of a verse, and simply post away.

Originally posted by Maslo
Religion is a subset of culture, religion and culture are deeply intertwined, especially in middle east. This is not only a cultural issue. These people get their morality to a large degree from crazy muslim clerics who have authority from Allah. Fornication is wrong because Allah says so. This is the religious basis for persecution of fornicators and adulterers by muslims.

Don't you get killed for adultery in Christianity and Judaism too? Same thing. And I recall a Bible saying that if you DESIRE a women besides your wife or even THINK about having relations with her, you are committing adultery.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by kaylaluv

That's like saying not all men are serial killers, but the vast majority of serial killers are men. Do we blame all men for serial killing?

What isn't debatable is that when Muslims carry out honour killings, they often do it because the daughter is 'too Westernized'.

Worldwide -
• 'Being too Westernised' - 58%
• 'Sexual Impropriety' - 42%

North America -
• 'Being too Westernised' - 91%
• 'Sexual Impropriety' - 9%

Europe -
• 'Being too Westernised' - 71%
• 'Sexual Impropriety' - 29%

Muslim World -
• 'Being too Westernised' - 43%
• 'Sexual Impropriety' - 57%

Link

It is ironic that Muslims who carry out honour killings have often moved to the West and then murder their own daughters for being 'too Westernised'.

So the reason for these honour-killings is because they are too westernised. Why are you linking this with religion if the reason is different?

Originally posted by TheMaverick
As i've already made clear in this thread, i blame pakistan, they are morally inept society and culture of backward thinking misfits who have no place in the modern world.

Pakistan should be disarmed of there nuclear weapons, they are a terrorist harbouring nation of lunatics.

Every country is the same.There will be killings, there will be robberies, there will be violence. There is no such thing as utopia. Even the US is not safe. Look at all the drug-addicts, the rapists, the gangs there.

Originally posted by TheMaverick
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But what does that have to do with Female Rights

It has everything to do with female rights, as in pakistan, there are no female rights, females are treated as items to trade and serve.

Do females in general not have a right to look at boys or something?

No they don't under sharīʿah.


And still not one male muslim has come out and condem this in the name of allah, but if you dare create a funny picture or criticize islam watch them in there mass's line the streets calling for beheadings..

I'm not gonna bother responding to you after this. You have no evidence that any of this in the Shariah, you have put no thought in your 'argument' and simply use the same excuses again

I have noticed that threads dealing with similar issues get the same replies. What I mean is that sane people are the only ones who reply. I rarely see Muslims or people from places where things like this occur step up to defend their "beliefs" here on the forums. I know there are people who believe in this crap here on the forums, but the fact that they believe so strongly in these things, yet refuse to argue their case publicly, imo shows just what they are really like...If the lengths they would go through to save their honor wasn't enough, of course, to show their true colors in the first place.

They do not defend this crap because here there are actually people who are not barbarians. People who will tell them that what they believe in is wrong on so many levels. But where this is acceptable, they will likely say how these actions are appropriate. I think that this instance, and similar ones, have to do with exercising power over women. That is what the whole religious thing with Muslims is about in my opinion. In most countries women are free to do what they will, and choose who they want to be with. The men are so barbaric in these countries, that no woman in her right mind would ever be with them, so they must force them to "obey" everything they say.

And regarding the case in this thread, it has to do with exercising power over a child. It seems these barbarians think that looking at someone means something other than just that. This is ludicrous. The girl probably was looking at the motorcycle to begin with, as it probably was loud, and it caught her attention. I doubt she was even interested in the boys, because she knows that is "forbidden." I just shake my head at the behavior of these backward people. I wish I had just a minute alone in a room with these parents, and others like them. I would then exercise my FREE WILL by showing them what I think of them and their "honor." But that is not the right thing to do. They are the ones who need to change, and acting in a retaliatory manner would make me no better than them. I never say that I am better than anyone else, but I am better than anyone who thinks things like this are ok.

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I am so sorry ! I thought it was vivid ! oh I should have written that more carefully. thank you for your attention.

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There are violence in the World, but there is a big difference in common violence which has been done spontaneously and honor killings which has been planned. Usually in domestic violence there is one person who does the crime when in honor killings there are many family members joining the killing and violence, mothers, fathers, uncles and even grandparents. And if person who has been threathened and escapes, other relatives join in hunting this person down. What comes to other aspects how honor killing is difference, it contains brutality, torturing, stoning to death, rape and pretty much everything what makes victims human value to zero.

I wouldn´t tell there is all other kind of killings and when those are done spontaneously without planning are equal to honor killings.. honor killing is bad word for these actions.. its honor murder !

Originally posted by maes2

the relation between honour killing and Islam !

And when the girl [who was] buried alive is asked For what sin she was killed .-Quran:81:7.

honour killing is a dirty tradition of some eastern cultures in which even some Arabs used to buried their girls alive just because of their gender.

This is when islam Banned burying of little girls. Back then when they got a girl baby they used to bury her. because she wont help the family. When islam came it forbidden that. Just like it forbid slavery, drinking, and gambling.

Its good not to be a muslim in the middle east

Originally posted by ipsedixit
This happens in India too among Hindus. As they say,"It's the economy stupid." In Brazil among the Catholics, you can murder your wife for having an affair and get away with it.

Sure there are cultural factors involved, but this is mostly about economic conditions.

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Great, now the people who think it means all Muslims want to kill their daughters are going to think that all brown people are ruthless kin-killers. Half of the people in this thread, I have a feeling, would gladly be marching in a parade screaming "kill the Muslims! Burn the Catholics! Wipe Out the Hindus! Slaughter the Jews! For my small sect of twisted Christianity is the Only Way and all eslse should Die!!!

I can't believe how Bckward some of these comments are. Everytime a dad in the deep south molests his daughter, do we say Southern Baptists should all die because they're all barbaric?! People looking to assign the sins of a tiny minority to the rest of a culture are nothing more than wannabe Hitlers in my opinion. Sadly, my guess is most of you "kill all the Muslims" types would be proud to be considered a mini-Hitler.

Originally posted by TheMaverick
As i've already made clear in this thread, i blame pakistan, they are morally inept society and culture of backward thinking misfits who have no place in the modern world.

Pakistan should be disarmed of there nuclear weapons, they are a terrorist harbouring nation of lunatics.

We have no right to take their nuclear weapons. Just like they have no right to take ours.
These barbaric things happen on daily basis and ten times worse in china. Why not take their nuclear weapons ? why not talk about them. of course because they are not interesting enough for the mainstream media. no Muslims involved, not interested enough.
As I said before, what they did, does not represent what Islam teaches what soever. People keep looking at Pakistani/Afghanistan culture from what they wear, to how they treat women, like it represents Islam. It doesn't . Don't mix culture with religion.
In islam, Anyone who commits such acts, will be punished hard by God when the time comes, Nobody has the right by god to take someones life because he committed a sin. (which is also different here, as she didn't commit anything. )

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I am so sorry that I made so much misunderstandings, surely I meant what you meant. I wanted to say that Islam was and is against wrong manners of life the same as other religions.

Originally posted by RimDaas
Originally posted by Maslo
Don't you get killed for adultery in Christianity and Judaism too? Same thing. And I recall a Bible saying that if you DESIRE a women besides your wife or even THINK about having relations with her, you are committing adultery.

yes of course such punishments are from Judaism and it is common in all monotheistic religions, but there is a point:
from John's gospel

8:1but Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. 8:2And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. 8:3And the scribes and the Pharisees bring a woman taken in adultery; and having set her in the midst, 8:4they say unto him, Teacher, this woman hath been taken in adultery, in the very act. 8:5Now in the law Moses commanded us to stone such: what then sayest thou of her? 8:6And this they said, trying him, that they might have whereof to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground. 8:7But when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8:8And again he stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground. 8:9And they, when they heard it, went out one by one, beginning from the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the midst. 8:10And Jesus lifted up himself, and said unto her, Woman, where are they? did no man condemn thee? 8:11And she said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said, Neither do I condemn thee: go thy way; from henceforth sin no more

I think you can find such manners from prophet of Islam too. my point is that :
harsh punishments for sexual crimes have preventing role more than implementing role in monotheistic religions especially when we realize that such punishments need some conditions that are really rare !

and what about temporary marriage I think it can help western societies.
1-it can limit the sexual partners.
2- it can reduce the number of children without family or father.

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I read so many cases of this kind, I have to wonder wtf is wrong with certain people???

This is why we need to eradicate these from this Earth.... once it is done, we will no longer hear of these tragic events!!