Pakistani parents kill 15-year-old daughter for looking at two boys

Honour killings have been discussed time and time again here on ATS.

I don't think even the staunchest apologists can defend this - the parents deserve to suffer the severest possible punishment.

But it is worth noting that Muslims from many parts of the world will be just as appalled at this as we are.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think acts like this are actually supported by Koranic scripture.

Whilst I recognose it's probably more prevalent within some Muslim communities it is also worth pointing out that honour killings also occur in some Hindu and Sikh communities - seems to me that it's more of a cultural practice from a particular region.

It is abhorent enough that these practices occur in their home countries but it speaks volumes that they think nothing of exporting the vile practice to their respective foster nations.

Originally posted by samsamm9
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Are you dumb enough to believe anyone could defend this senseless killing ?
Liberal or Muslim, nobody can defend such atrocity.

Again, it's not about Islam, it's cultural mostly. (try to get that in your insignificant little mind)

Those parents certainly do defend this killing as well as people who commit thousands of other honor killings in that region. Where do they get their "cultural sense" of right and wrong? They get it from the extremist views of Islam's darker factions. How could this not be about Islam? It is exactly about Islam.. just as the Christian religions have the regular and the fundamentalist.

You can't absolve Islam of it's responsibility in this mess.

This is a great documentary on the subject of honour killing, and this is a Islamic culture and why is Islam not standing up saying no stop this 10th century Practice, its all covered up by the islamic communities, and women and children are too terrified to speak up about this, or brainwashed to believe this is normal and moral behaviour.



When was the last time you see a imam or any muslim man stand up and protest for this to stop.

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix

Originally posted by samsamm9
reply to post by TheMaverick

 

Are you dumb enough to believe anyone could defend this senseless killing ?
Liberal or Muslim, nobody can defend such atrocity.

Again, it's not about Islam, it's cultural mostly. (try to get that in your insignificant little mind)

Those parents certainly do defend this killing as well as people who commit thousands of other honor killings in that region. Where do they get their "cultural sense" of right and wrong? They get it from the extremist views of Islam's darker factions. How could this not be about Islam? It is exactly about Islam.. just as the Christian religions have the regular and the fundamentalist.

You can't absolve Islam of it's responsibility in this mess.

Yes I can. It has absolutely nothing to do with Islam.

Tahira Shaid Khan, a professor of women's issues at Aga Khan University, notes that there is nothing in the Qur'an that permits or sanctions honor killings.[22] The first and most basic right in the Qur'an that every Muslim is expected to follow is, in fact, the right to life.[23] As written in the Qur'an,

According to University of Toronto professor of women's studies Shahrzad Mojab, followers of Hinduism, Islam, Judaism and Christianity have used their religions as a rationale to commit honour killings. She said that honor killings don't have "any definite connection with religion at all", and that honor killing had been practised before any major religion came into existence.[

Widney Brown, the advocacy director of Human Rights Watch, said that the practice "goes across cultures and across religions." Human rights advocates have compared "honor killing" to "crimes of passion" in Latin America (which are sometimes treated extremely leniently) and also to the killing of women for lack of dowry in India.

Honor killing

Were are all these poor people getting all this acid?

Hi Maverick. Lately I've seen you rather enjoying yourself bashing Muslims in general so I thought I'd show up.

So my question is, how do the liberal left at ATS defend this barbaric act and the peace loving muslims ?

I don't know how you managed to connect this with Islam. They were Muslim. So did they do it for God? Can I say that a Christian man had entered a cinema and killed people watching the Batman movie? Can I say that a Christian man and his christian ministers sent 6 million Jews to their death? No I cannot since they were not religiously motivated. This is also the case. This involved culture.

It's always seemed to me that acid attacks are rather common with Muslims compared to other groups. Is it a cultural thing? Is it symbolic of something?

These kind of things usually happen when a women rejects a man for marriage. Again, somehow Muslims in general are the perpetrators. This is to do more with culture.

When will World be civilized in every corner ? This is from stone-age call it honor.

So what is civilized my friend? How about I point out the spate of knife crimes which take place in the UK? How about the racially motivated crimes in the US? Only 50 years ago, blacks were being lynched in the US, the 'civilized' side of the world was at war, slaughtering each other in battle fields. Please do describe the Western world as 'civilized' because you do not know the meaning.

And another thing for all of you who say what has religion got to do with this, honour killing is part of pakistani Islamic culture.

Pakistani Islamic culture? This is deeply integrated into the culture way before the time the Muslims invaded South East Asia. You, my sir, have no idea what your talking about and I suggest you research more about it.

Wow! Have we not evolved beyond our Cave Man ways? Beyond pathetic. I find it hard to believe anyone or any religion could justify this. Life has no value over there. Complete barbarians it would seem.

No religion could justify this since no religion instructs you to do this.

Originally posted by TheMaverick
So my question is, how do the liberal left at ATS defend this barbaric act and the peace loving muslims ?

I'm pretty sure the "liberal left" doesn't like theocracy any more than you do...

Originally posted by blindlyzack
Where do these animals even GET acid like what the hell

Its not like they would have a pouch in their pockets everywhere they go just incase there children are caught perving, would they?

This is all from a mindset of ownership. Her parents thought they owned her so they think they free reign to do what they choose to her for whatever reason. Humans are sickly diseased creatures who need to know that they are not allowed ownership of anyone. Im not discluding the fact children need to be raised by parents properly. But that doesn't include killing for some twisted dysfunctional sense of honor you might have. This just fuels my belief that we should stick a giant vacuum hose from space and suck up that entire region into space.

Originally posted by TheMaverick
Pakistani parents kill 15-year-old daughter with acid over her suspected affair with a boy she looked at.



So my question is, how do the liberal left at ATS defend this barbaric act and the peace loving muslims ?

Source

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What about "Christians" in America that beat or kill their own children? Do we defend them? No, we don't. In every country, there are crazy and evil people. Yes, even in America.

Originally posted by ubeenhad
Were are all these poor people getting all this acid?

The same way we procure bleach. Was reading about a woman who mixed bleach into a baby's formula and the baby died. Read about a husband who cut his wife's face up so that she wouldn't leave the house. He was sick, controlling, and abusive of her and didn't want her to have a life. This happened in.... America. Evil people, every where, not just in Pakistan or other places in the middle east.

While we are on the topic of "honor killings", let's talk about how the 7th cavalry massacred hundreds of people on their own land, including women, babies, and children. Let's talk about how they shot them right in their faces, their chests....

Yeah.

I see where this thread is going. It's to prop up Obama's drone strikes in Pakistan. Killing hundreds of innocent people to find a small amount of terrorists.

That's the history of this country..... genocide and massacres...... and we took it from here right on over to the middle east.

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Muslims carry out 91% of honour killings world wide

Although Sikhs and Hindus do sometimes commit such murders, honor killings, both worldwide and in the West, are mainly Muslim-on-Muslim crimes. In this study, worldwide, 91 percent of perpetrators were Muslims. In North America, most killers (84 percent) were Muslims, with only a few Sikhs and even fewer Hindus perpetrating honor killings; in Europe, Muslims comprised an even larger majority at 96 percent while Sikhs were a tiny percentage. In Muslim countries, obviously almost all the perpetrators were Muslims.

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Obviously all Muslims are not guilty of honour killings but 91% of all honour killers are Muslims.

the relation between honour killing and Islam !

And when the girl [who was] buried alive is asked For what sin she was killed .-Quran:81:7.

honour killing is a dirty tradition of some eastern cultures in which even some Arabs used to buried their girls alive just because of their gender.

Originally posted by ollncasino
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Muslims carry out 91% of honour killings world wide

Although Sikhs and Hindus do sometimes commit such murders, honor killings, both worldwide and in the West, are mainly Muslim-on-Muslim crimes. In this study, worldwide, 91 percent of perpetrators were Muslims. In North America, most killers (84 percent) were Muslims, with only a few Sikhs and even fewer Hindus perpetrating honor killings; in Europe, Muslims comprised an even larger majority at 96 percent while Sikhs were a tiny percentage. In Muslim countries, obviously almost all the perpetrators were Muslims.

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Obviously all Muslims are not guilty of honour killings but 91% of all honour killers are Muslims.

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That's like saying not all men are serial killers, but the vast majority of serial killers are men. Do we blame all men for serial killing?

Religion is a subset of culture, religion and culture are deeply intertwined, especially in middle east. This is not only a cultural issue. These people get their morality to a large degree from crazy muslim clerics who have authority from Allah. Fornication is wrong because Allah says so. This is the religious basis for persecution of fornicators and adulterers by muslims.

Originally posted by blindlyzack
Where do these animals even GET acid like what the hell

probably get it delivered by drone from the U.S.

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the sooner we rid the world of these vile bastards the sooner the human race can progress.

END ALL RELIGION AND FANATICAL FAITH SYSTEMS.

Originally posted by kaylaluv

That's like saying not all men are serial killers, but the vast majority of serial killers are men. Do we blame all men for serial killing?

What isn't debatable is that when Muslims carry out honour killings, they often do it because the daughter is 'too Westernized'.

Worldwide -
• 'Being too Westernised' - 58%
• 'Sexual Impropriety' - 42%

North America -
• 'Being too Westernised' - 91%
• 'Sexual Impropriety' - 9%

Europe -
• 'Being too Westernised' - 71%
• 'Sexual Impropriety' - 29%

Muslim World -
• 'Being too Westernised' - 43%
• 'Sexual Impropriety' - 57%

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It is ironic that Muslims who carry out honour killings have often moved to the West and then murder their own daughters for being 'too Westernised'.

Originally posted by Maslo
Religion is a subset of culture, religion and culture are deeply intertwined, especially in middle east. This is not only a cultural issue. These people get their morality to a large degree from crazy muslim clerics who have authority from Allah. Fornication is wrong because Allah says so. This is the religious basis for persecution of fornicators and adulterers by muslims.

I would agree with that to a point. The Bible speaks of killing (stoning) people for crimes that the western culture wouldn't dream of doing today. So, for the most part, our culture has abandoned those ancient crimes and punishments while still remaining a primarily Christian society. For those small pockets of "crazy Christian fundamentalists", you could blame the Bible to some degree, but isn't it more about those crazy people, then the whole religion itself?