while what you said is completely true ... please, if you can, prove it applies to this outpost.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Originally posted by GrantedBail
reply to post by shaneslaughta
American soil? What are you talking about?
Any American embassy or consulate in any country is considered American soil by International law.
Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by FlyersFan
And what about all the Americans that were rescued? Is everyone so much more concerned with projecting outrage and swallowing lies because those lies justify an irrational hatred that they would rather these men be remembered as victims instead of heroes?
haven't you got ANY links to back up your BS ??
Originally posted by Taiyed
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Taiyed
since you have to ask such a silly question repeatedly, i guess it deserves an answer.
he lied about a video being provocative enough to stimulate such a deadly reaction (4 dead)
What did Obama lie about that caused someone to die?
[remember Cairo ??]
Wrong and wrong.
He gave out the latest intelligence that the video played a role in provoking the attack. Subsequent intelligence that has come out has confirmed that fact. You guys want to ignore that later intelligence, but I'm sorry, it is fact.
And let's play your fantasy world game and accept that Obama "lied" about it. No one died from that, they were dead already.
I'm not surprised that another person in this thread doesn't have their information straight.
which, btw, goes right back to ... WHO knew what WHEN.
Apparently unaware of the timing of the first embassy statement, the Republican presidential candidate, Mitt Romney, put out a statement just before midnight Tuesday saying, “It’s disgraceful that the Obama administration’s first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.” Mr. Romney also said he was “outraged” at the attacks on the embassy and consulate.
now, we are not making this stuff up ... and if you care to join the conversation, please contribute something other than "you're wrong".
Updated at 5:22 a.m. ET: A State Department officer was killed after armed protesters stormed the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, furious about an amateur video that has been viewed as insulting to the Prophet Muhammad.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton confirmed the American's death in a statement on Tuesday evening.
"Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet," Clinton said in the statement. "The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others."
The attack left much of the consulate burned, witnesses said, and came hours after demonstrators in Egypt climbed the walls of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo to protest the video.
notice, they are referencing the film trailer.
after a week of protests, the U.S. aired advertisements on Pakistani television denouncing the amateur anti-Islam film “The Innocence of Muslims."
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The film trailer has caused waves of protests at U.S. embassies around the Muslim world, including all over Pakistan, and has cost the life of the American ambassador to Libya, J. Christopher Stevens.
travel warning to Pakistan ??? whatever for when the initial protests were in Egypt and Libya and, let's not forget ... that Pakistani tv spot (30 seconds worth) cost $70,000
The United States also issued a travel warning for visitors to Pakistan, warning them about the volatile situation created by the video, GlobalPost reported.
anyone else find it odd that there is -0- mention of Libya or the consulate/outpost ??
[color=amber] “I know there are some who ask why we don’t just ban such a video. The answer is enshrined in our laws: our Constitution protects the right to practice free speech. Here in the United States, countless publications provoke offense. Like me, the majority of Americans are Christian, and yet we do not ban blasphemy against our most sacred beliefs. Moreover, as President of our country, and Commander-in-Chief of our military, I accept that people are going to call me awful things every day, and I will always defend their right to do so. Americans have fought and died around the globe to protect the right of all people to express their views – even views that we disagree with…
“I know that not all countries in this body share this understanding of the protection of free speech. Yet in 2012, at a time when anyone with a cell phone can spread offensive views around the world with the click of a button, the notion that we can control the flow of information is obsolete. The question, then, is how we respond. And on this we must agree: there is no speech that justifies mindless violence.
“There are no words that excuse the killing of innocents. There is no video that justifies an attack on an Embassy. There is no slander that provides an excuse for people to burn a restaurant in Lebanon, or destroy a school in Tunis, or cause death and destruction in Pakistan.”
with this, i'll join the consensus ... troll
Originally posted by Taiyed
reply to post by paxnatus
You've got it all wrong! The CIA did not give the order to stand down, It was the White House that gave the order!!
You have zero proof of a "stand down" order or who it went to.
But you now have proof of a timeline that blows that rumor out of the water, and you refuse to accept it.
Am I wrong to assume you are a Birther as well?
i point out 2 errors in your commentary and this is how you respond ??
Originally posted by Swills
reply to post by Honor93
You provide 1 source to which you assume is the end all be all? Like really? Everything I type is a summary of what multiple sources were/are reporting. Do you think I'm just making this up? Either way, we are not privy to the truth, we are privy to lies & disinformation. The fact is these men did not receive help during their battle wih terrorist.
I'm reading down this thread and I am confused on something here. First, this WAS a United States *DIPLOMATIC MISSION* Owned, paid for and run by the U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT. It was not run by the Central Intelligence Agency. That compound existed about a mile to the Southeast as I am reading the maps.
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
no offense intended Wrabbit, but, if Stevens was performing the tasks of which he has been accused, then his actions define the word "terrorist".
yes, an American all the same, but let's not be placing him on some imaginary pedestal, ok ?
do i need to remind anyone that Al-awlaki was an American also ??
being an American doesn't absolve the bad behaviors of which humans choose to engage.
NO, i asked for YOUR sources ... of which you have offered a total of -0- ... so, back to the question, where's yours ?
Originally posted by Swills
reply to post by Honor93
Yes that's how I respond. What sources? Oh great so now I have to go through your post history and piece together your side of the story? No thanks. And like I said, I wrote a summary from the news that I've read about this attack since it came out. I made that clear in my post. Tell me exactly what it is you have a problem with? Was that Stevens wasn't kidnapped & killed or that they got no assistance during the battle? The Libyan guards were overwhelmed and some ran off. The local Libya forces never arrived & US forces never arrived, so what help do you speak of?edit on 3-11-2012 by Swills because: (no reason given)
About 45 minutes into the fighting, a quick reaction team composed of six Americans from what was called the “annex,” an unofficial, low-key “safe house” for U.S. security forces approximately two kilometers away. They came barreling down to the mission in a BMW sedan and a Mercedes Benz SUV. There they encountered Wisam and about 40 other February 17th members, some of whom helped escort the Americans into the compound. “We jogged alongside the cars,” Wisam said. “There were 12 of us. We didn’t know what to expect inside.”
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At about 3:20 a.m., Faruq called the Joint Operations Room at the February 17th Brigade that coordinates the activities of several military and security organizations. Within 15 minutes, more than a hundred security officials arrived at the annex to help secure the area.
The intelligence officials told reporters Thursday that when the CIA annex received a call about the assault, about a half dozen members of a CIA security team tried to get heavy weapons and other assistance from the Libyans.
But when the Libyans failed to respond, the security team, which routinely carries small arms, went ahead with the rescue attempt.
At no point was the team told to wait, the officials said. Instead, they said the often outmanned and outgunned team members made all the key decisions on the ground, with no second-guessing from senior officials monitoring the situation from afar.
We can say with confidence that the Agency reacted quickly to aid our colleagues during that terrible evening in Benghazi. Moreover, no one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. In fact, it is important to remember how many lives were saved by courageous Americans who put their own safety at risk that night — and that some of those selfless Americans gave their lives in the effort to rescue their comrades.
Geraldo Rivera, in this entertaining and informative clip from “Fox & Friends,” splits Benghazi into three segments: 1) How well the United States prepared for Benghazi; 2) How well the United States responded to the attack on our assets in Benghazi; 3) How well the United States explained the attack to the public after it went down. By Geraldo’s accounting, No. 1 and No. 3 provide legitimate openings for accountability and criticism. But not No. 2: The response to the attack by personnel on the ground, says Geraldo, was strong. In his inimitable, grandstanding fashion, Geraldo noted that he’d spoken with “four-star General Jack Keane, the former vice [chief of staff] of the United States Army, our premier military analyst. I am convinced that the military did whatever it could have done under the circumstances.” The CIA and the State Department both get high marks from Geraldo as well.
Geraldo makes an accurate accusation, and it’s one that matters to this whole Fox-Benghazi saga
In its suddenly very famous Oct. 26 report on the alleged failures of the CIA in responding to the attack on Sept. 11, Fox News’s Jennifer Griffin acknowledges that security assistance did indeed arrive from Tripoli.
Here’s the text: An American Quick Reaction Force sent from Tripoli had arrived at the Benghazi airport at 2 a.m. (four hours after the initial attack on the consulate) and was delayed for 45 minutes at the airport because they could not at first get transportation, allegedly due to confusion among Libyan militias who were supposed to escort them to the annex, according to Benghazi sources.
Perhaps Fox should require its people to read the reporting of Fox journalists.
i don't dispute this one iota, however, you and others have to remember, while these events are "new" to you ... to us old farts, this has become "status quo" and we aren't too happy about it, nor are we willing to sit idly by and let the propaganda machine have its way.
Depends on what agency has a spokesman talking as to who is either taking blame or claiming they had none ...and that role even changes at times