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posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by Raist
reply to post by SaturnFX
 


You are right transgender do feel they are the opposite sex than they are born with. Basically they feel they have the wrong body. Regardless of how right wrong, morals, or if it is a mental issue, the fact remains that dude was hanging his stuff out for anyone to see.

I do not think many women will feel safe, comfortable, or accomodating to a strange naked man in an area where they are supposed to feel safe and secure to undress and redress.

All the rest of it is political PC crap any way. I do not care what they do on their own time in private, but in public we should try to respect others as much as we can. Sure we are not going to make everyone happy but to blatantly ignore others feelings altogether for our own selfish needs is another thing.



Raist


Right, ok..so we are in agreement then.
I am all about political correctness actually...that is actually what helps matters here. political correctness is simple here..women use womens rooms, men use mens rooms.

I think people confuse political correctness with..hell, I dont know. being easily confused by eloquent bs. but it is very politically incorrect for a man to walk into a womans bathroom/locker room/shower, etc.

just another term ripped into meaningless shreds due to overuse. toss that on the pile with marxism, heros, socialism, freedom, exceptionalism, and the rest of the now destroyed parts of our language.




posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 04:59 PM
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The objection is on legal grounds but not the one they are using for this.

There is an adult man exposing himself to girls and women by walking around naked in a womens locker room.

If you try that in any other way but to call yourself a transgender you will be arrested and put on a sex offenders list. It is selfish for this man to think that it is okay to expose himself like that wo women and girls who are in a womens locker room.

I do not care what he calls himself. He has a penis. If he has a penis he should not be exposing it in a womens locker room. Again I will point out that it is a womans locker room. Many women and girls use the place, some of which I am sure have been preyed on sexually in their lives. If numbers are correct 1 in 4 of those females have had this happen to them. I will also point out again that most females are not going to be comfortable undressing and redressing in front of a strange naked man.

Panit it how you like the law is flawed and this dude is a selfish prick (no pun intended). He is getting his cake and eating it too. He admits to being a "lesbian", so then this makes it okay for any man to go and hangout naked in the womens room so long as they say they feel like a woman.

This would not have been an issue if he had been respectful of others and covered himself. However he was a selfish jerk and wanted everything his way.




I am married to a bi sexual who happens to like women more than men. Someone attempted to rape her once. She was in a house she had never been before so being snart she kept her wits about her enough to be on gaurd for what ever. Some dude tried to force himself on her and ended up in the hospital because he almost had his throat ripped out (did I mention my wife is a black belt?). I can tell you without a doubt she would nto be comfortable being in a locker room with a strange naked man because of her past. She says it has not affected her but made her less trusting, but you can see ways that it did affect her. Something like her walking in on a strange naked guy would not make things any better for her and maybe not for him.

This is why he should not have been exposing himself in the womens locker room. Being transgender is one thing. Expecting your selfish personal rights to trump everyone elses is another.

Raist



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 05:04 PM
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The pool is rented by others from neighboring schools...read the article and quit defending this perv.



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 05:06 PM
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Yep we agree.

People seem to be missing the part of one persons rights trumping everyone elses. Penises should not be seen in a womans room. I cannot think of any woman in my life past or present that would be okay with getting undressed and redressed in front of a strange naked man in a locker room. Even those that did it up on stage in front of many men for money would feel differently when it is in a more private setting. Up on stage they are in control and have back up called bouncers, in a locker room you are left more vulnerable even more so when getting undressed.

Raist



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 05:07 PM
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They don't rent the exclusive rights. She is a student at the college and has a legal right under Washington law to use the facilities.



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 05:15 PM
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You keep showing how much you do NOT know....first you didn't read the article to see that children of all ages use that rest room, then this statement about psychologists.


Graduates with a master’s degree in psychology can work as industrial-organizational psychologists. When working under the supervision of a doctoral psychologist, master’s graduates also can work as psychological assistants in clinical, counseling, or research settings. Master’s degree programs typically include courses in industrial-organizational psychology, statistics, and research design.


www.bls.gov...-4

Winning a debate 101....know what you are talking about. And a masters in psychology does not give you the right or the know how to diagnose people as having psychotic behavior because of how they reply on a thread.

A 45 year old man who says he is attracted to women hanging out naked in a women's locker room is an easier diagnosis.



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by Rastus3663
reply to post by timetothink
 


They don't rent the exclusive rights. She is a student at the college and has a legal right under Washington law to use the facilities.


You mean he.

In regards to the story, this guy is a sicko.. his idea is that any dude can put on a wig and cop a perv in the woman's changing room? this is where political correctness is leading us lol



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 05:34 PM
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You keep showing how much you do NOT know....first you didn't read the article to see that children of all ages use that rest room, then this statement about psychologists.


Read it; it did not state that said children were present when the individual in question was in the locker room.

Clinical Psychology is still a PH.d or Psy.D degree.

Didn't diagnose anyone. Simply responded in to an attack that was later deleted by a mod.



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by Destinyone

Originally posted by yadda333
reply to post by Raist
 


I see your point, but I think you've identified the real issue in that we need cultural change. We should not be so insistent on balancing binaries, insisting that there only be two sexes. We also shouldn't be so prudish about our bodies.
edit on 11/2/2012 by yadda333 because: (no reason given)


I wish the person who molested me, when I was six years old, had felt prudish about touching my body. Maybe that is why the very thought of a 45 year old male *exposing* himself to young Girls, in a Girl's locker room, turns my stomach.

Maybe that is why, I, as a Mother to a Girl, spent a good portion of her growing years, watching out for predators that may have had an unsavory interest in young Girls.

I don't consider it prudish...I consider it diligence and common sense. JMOHO....

Des


Perhaps pedophilia wouldn't be an issue in a different, more advanced culture that doesn't see sexuality and the human body in the same way as we do right now.

I have no idea how you get to that point, but I do feel fairly confident that humans will continue to evolve culturally.



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by yadda333

Originally posted by Destinyone

Originally posted by yadda333
reply to post by Raist
 


I see your point, but I think you've identified the real issue in that we need cultural change. We should not be so insistent on balancing binaries, insisting that there only be two sexes. We also shouldn't be so prudish about our bodies.
edit on 11/2/2012 by yadda333 because: (no reason given)


I wish the person who molested me, when I was six years old, had felt prudish about touching my body. Maybe that is why the very thought of a 45 year old male *exposing* himself to young Girls, in a Girl's locker room, turns my stomach.

Maybe that is why, I, as a Mother to a Girl, spent a good portion of her growing years, watching out for predators that may have had an unsavory interest in young Girls.

I don't consider it prudish...I consider it diligence and common sense. JMOHO....

Des


Perhaps pedophilia wouldn't be an issue in a different, more advanced culture that doesn't see sexuality and the human body in the same way as we do right now.

I have no idea how you get to that point, but I do feel fairly confident that humans will continue to evolve culturally.


Tell me. Where is this distant culture where pedophilia doesn't exist. Shangri-La...Narnia...you are really out of touch with reality...jmoho...

Des



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 06:03 PM
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That is NOT a female.

Female


noun
1.
a person bearing two X chromosomes in the cell nuclei and normally having a vagina, a uterus and ovaries, and developing at puberty a relatively rounded body and enlarged breasts, and retaining a beardless face; a girl or woman.

2.
an organism of the sex or sexual phase that normally produces egg cells.


Female



1

a (1): of, relating to, or being the sex that bears young or produces eggs (2): pistillate

b (1): composed of members of the female sex (2): characteristic of girls or women

2

: having some quality (as gentleness) associated with the female sex


3

: designed with a hollow or groove into which a corresponding male part fits


I call BS on #2 as it's for political incorrectness purposes only. I know gentle "men" as well.

Female


ADJECTIVE
1. of women: relating or belonging to women or girls
2. biology of the sex that produces offspring: relating or belonging to the sex that produces sex cells gametes that fuse with male sex cells during sexual reproduction
3. botany producing seeds: describes the part of a plant that produces the female sex cells, e.g. a carpel
4. botany having carpels: describes flowers that have carpels but no stamens
5. engineering made with recess: describes a component or part of a component such as an electric socket that has a recess designed to receive a corresponding projecting part


That perv in the article is just that - a perv male who took advantage of the trangendering system so he could get into women's restrooms.

If it has dangling stuff - it's a male.


edit on 2/11/2012 by Trexter Ziam because: typo



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by Sissel

Originally posted by yadda333
reply to post by Raist
 


I see your point, but I think you've identified the real issue in that we need cultural change.


We do? Why do WE need cultural change?


This planet has severe sociological problems. I thought that was quite evident. Wouldn't you rather live in a society that is more advanced--a society that doesn't see things in only one or two dimensions?


Why not? Unless like you mentioned somebody is a hermaphrodite (which is pretty rare) There basically are only 2 sexes.

Again, I think we'll be better off once we can get passed such narrow thinking. Gay rights would not be an issue if would could move past such a two dimensional perspective of sexuality. Because there are so few hermaphrodites (i'll have to check the percentages), we should deny those who want to be intersexuals just because we don't get it?



That's your opinion. Why are you saying WE when this is just your own opinion? Others might agree with you but I am sure that not everybody does, so I strongly object to you saying WE. It insinuates you are speaking for me, and you are not.


Let's look at my statement:
"We also shouldn't be so prudish about our bodies."

Perhaps you can re-word my statement so that it suits you. Can you replace the WE with something that is more appropriate? I don't mind.



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by Destinyone

Originally posted by yadda333

Originally posted by Destinyone

Originally posted by yadda333
reply to post by Raist
 


I see your point, but I think you've identified the real issue in that we need cultural change. We should not be so insistent on balancing binaries, insisting that there only be two sexes. We also shouldn't be so prudish about our bodies.
edit on 11/2/2012 by yadda333 because: (no reason given)


I wish the person who molested me, when I was six years old, had felt prudish about touching my body. Maybe that is why the very thought of a 45 year old male *exposing* himself to young Girls, in a Girl's locker room, turns my stomach.

Maybe that is why, I, as a Mother to a Girl, spent a good portion of her growing years, watching out for predators that may have had an unsavory interest in young Girls.

I don't consider it prudish...I consider it diligence and common sense. JMOHO....

Des


Perhaps pedophilia wouldn't be an issue in a different, more advanced culture that doesn't see sexuality and the human body in the same way as we do right now.

I have no idea how you get to that point, but I do feel fairly confident that humans will continue to evolve culturally.


Tell me. Where is this distant culture where pedophilia doesn't exist. Shangri-La...Narnia...you are really out of touch with reality...jmoho...

Des


What gave it away? How I said "perhaps" and followed it up with "different" and "more advanced?"

Obviously I was trying to prove my point that cultural changes could be a good thing--I can't do anything about the past, but maybe things would have been different.
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posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 06:08 PM
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Your argument is moot. This isn't about homosexuality. You are trying to make it about homosexuality...it isn't!

It's about a male who claims to feel like a woman, hanging his genitals in front of little girls, in a Girl's locker room. It's WRONG...no matter how you dice it...it's just plain WRONG.

You can try to make it what you want, all you want...it doesn't change the FACTS.

Des



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posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 06:10 PM
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Last time I checked the dude still had all of his male body parts. He can wish all he wants to be a girl. But the fact is until he gets that thing chopped, is post op, and has hormone therapy he's just a guy in drag. Got no business being in the women's locker room. Even if he does feel like a woman. The fact is he's not.



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by Destinyone
reply to post by yadda333
 


Your argument is moot. This isn't about homosexuality. You are trying to make it about homosexuality...it isn't!


My first post was about hermaphrodites and that sexuality (etc) is grey for a lot of folks. I think this is all relevant to the discussion because that's what we're dealing with--a grey area.

Just to add:

I'm really more interested in the idea of doing away with binaries in terms of sexuality and gender--is it something that could happen and would it make things better. It's a hard thing to comprehend--especially for all of us--but it could be possibly make things better.

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posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by yadda333

Originally posted by Destinyone
reply to post by yadda333
 


Your argument is moot. This isn't about homosexuality. You are trying to make it about homosexuality...it isn't!


My first post was about hermaphrodites and that sexuality (etc) is grey for a lot of folks. I think this is all relevant to the discussion because that's what we're dealing with--a grey area.


Transgenderism is not a gray area. It's well known and accepted in our society. You are trying to claim it is a gray area to sneak in your own personal agenda, not having anything to do with the OP.

Des



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by Destinyone

Originally posted by yadda333

Originally posted by Destinyone
reply to post by yadda333
 


Your argument is moot. This isn't about homosexuality. You are trying to make it about homosexuality...it isn't!


My first post was about hermaphrodites and that sexuality (etc) is grey for a lot of folks. I think this is all relevant to the discussion because that's what we're dealing with--a grey area.


Transgenderism is not a gray area. It's well known and accepted in our society. You are trying to claim it is a gray area to sneak in your own personal agenda, not having anything to do with the OP.

Des


The fact that we're even having this conversation means it's a grey area. Are you having trouble understanding what a grey area is?

Just to help:

Grey area meaning that social acceptance isn't a given.
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posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 06:20 PM
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A 'grey area' is something unclear


Whats unclear about a male member in a 'female' changing room??



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 06:23 PM
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Yeah what's unclear about exposing ones self to minors? If I go into a male changing room and start swinging my junk around in front of 6-17 year old boys I'd be a sexual offender. Period. There is no excuse transgender or not about what the guy did.





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