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Transgender woman told to leave women’s locker room

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posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by Rastus3663
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Alright tell us about them.


I knew about the beaches. I knew about the restrooms. I never saw uni-sex showers. I never visited the beaches. I never used a uni-sex bathroom. You have completely derailed the thread by drawing some sort of comparison between a locker room used by children in Washington, USA to a nude beach in Europe.




posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by Montana

Originally posted by mademyself1984
I very much work in psychology. And you are defending pedophilia by minimizing the actions of this pedophile.


I see several members here calling this person a pedophile. Since you "work in psychology" you obviously know that to be a pedophile, a person must get sexual gratification from children in some shape or form. Please show us evidence that this person desires to have sex with children. My nephew "works in psychology" too, he mops the floors in a local counseling center.


I'm sorry. If I had a 6 year old son or daughter who told me a 45 year old man exposed his penis to them, I would consider them to be a pedophile. And the definition of pedophile is "an adult who is sexually attracted to children". One could easily infer from this MAN'S behavior, that HE is a pedophile or at the very least exhibits traits of a pedophile. Indisputable, unless you know this person personally.



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 07:55 AM
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You claim to have a BS in CJ and can't follow simply logic? Must be one tough test they give you juvie corrections officers at work.



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by Rastus3663
reply to post by mademyself1984
 


The only way you could point out a "defense mechanism" is to google it and then have someone explain it to you.


Defense mechanism ^^^



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by Rastus3663
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The only way you could point out a "defense mechanism" is to google it and then have someone explain it to you.


Defense mechanism ^^^



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 07:57 AM
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Originally posted by Rastus3663
You claim to have a BS in CJ and can't follow simply logic? Must be one tough test they give you juvie corrections officers at work.



And what simple logic would that be? That people born with penises are men and cannot be women?



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 07:58 AM
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Not sure what i make of this story to be honest. On the one hand, there is absolutely nothing wrong with nudity, regardless of age. The article indicates he / she was sat there naked. That is to say, he / she wasn't engaged in any sexual activity that could be deemed offensive in a public place (and rightly so), instead was simply sat in the sauna.

On the other hand it is, essentially, a naked male in a female locker room (post op would be a different story). Worse, it is in a country that isn't very comfortable with nudity, so would always end badly for him / her.

Mind you, male and female locker rooms are very last century. Mixed are all the rage these days.......



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 07:58 AM
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Simple not simplistic.



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 08:04 AM
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Originally posted by mademyself1984


I'm sorry. If I had a 6 year old son or daughter who told me a 45 year old man exposed his penis to them, I would consider them to be a pedophile. And the definition of pedophile is "an adult who is sexually attracted to children". One could easily infer from this MAN'S behavior, that HE is a pedophile or at the very least exhibits traits of a pedophile. Indisputable, unless you know this person personally.


Unless you can show evidence that this person was getting sexual gratification from children, there is no "pedophile behavior". This person was using a locker room in a college that is also occasionally used by the swim teams from local schools. There is no evidence that I have seen that he/she sought out contact with children, nor is there evidence that he/she got sexual gratification from what contact occurred. for a graduate you are doing an awful lot of infering and considering with no evidence to support it.



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 08:08 AM
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The dictionary definition of pedophilia is "an adult who is sexually attracted to children". Cross dresser, transgender, gay or straight....If a MAN goes into a locker room and exposes HIS PENIS to children, that is pedophile like behavior. Can you prove that this person does not seek sexual gratification? Can you prove that this person does not RECEIVE sexual gratification? You can't. I certainly can infer this person is at a minimum a pervert. I can certainly infer that this person is a pedophile. And I can certainly infer that it is wrong for a 45 year old man to go into a women's locker room and expose his penis to 6 year old girls.



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 08:10 AM
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Finally someone else that gets it; did you see what the swim team captain said?




I am a captain of the swim team at Capital High School (one of the swim teams that practices at the college) I personally do not have any issue with the woman being in our locker room so to generalize that the "girls are uncomfortable" is not true. I feel this woman has just as much of a right to be there than anyone else and am annoyed how out of control this has gotten.



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 08:10 AM
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That is true, you can do whatever you like. But in this case doing so just makes you wrong.



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 08:11 AM
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Originally posted by Rastus3663
reply to post by Montana
 

Finally someone else that gets it; did you see what the swim team captain said?




I am a captain of the swim team at Capital High School (one of the swim teams that practices at the college) I personally do not have any issue with the woman being in our locker room so to generalize that the "girls are uncomfortable" is not true. I feel this woman has just as much of a right to be there than anyone else and am annoyed how out of control this has gotten.





45 Year old man. Penis. 6 year old. Women's locker room. None of these things belong in the same sentence.



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 08:12 AM
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That's known as counter transference in the therapy world.



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 08:14 AM
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Now you are casting doubt on someone that has shared the locker room with her?



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by Montana
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That is true, you can do whatever you like. But in this case doing so just makes you wrong.



Alright. Be my guest to test that theory (I'm wrong?) by strolling over to the nearest public changing room/locker room/rest room. Rather than use the men's room, go ahead and enter the women's. Expose your penis to anyone who enters it, since nudity is to be expected. When they call the police or security throws you out, just tell them you were feeling like a woman today. I'm sure no parents will kick your ass or at the very least refer to you later on as the pedophile in the locker room.



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 08:16 AM
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What would happen if its the exact opposite?

a Transgender women(male with female parts) walk into a male locker room?

Would it be on the news? highly doubt it.

Only females are scarred from indecent exposure?



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 08:17 AM
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Just read the first part of this if you're just wanting opinion ... other stuff is house keeping I suppose.

Imagine some persons are expecting me to come out in support of this, but no.

The person has no intention of having reassignment surgery, and lists sex, sexuality, pornography, erotica, polyamory, nudity, and 'kink' as interests on public profiles along with guns, swords, knives, and emotions. You know I wasn't sure at first, but as soon as the person said 'emotions' I changed my mind! They're totally a nice legitimate #gender person ... Excuse me whilst I park my freaking sarcasm mobile and put on my rage hat. >.>

Anyone that supports trans/gender persons needs to understand that the best thing they can do is put a 40k highway of distance between yourself and this person!

The fact the person has gone to efforts to delete this online evidence says a lot! The person also blatantly writes about their self touching etc ... online. Honestly, the person's profiles and activities online in writing sound more like a cross between Chuck Norris and an over eager date rapist.

I'm as open minded as the next awesome bob-cat, but this isn't the sort of person we need identifying with people who have real issues and real problems. Well ... this person clearly has problems but they're moral, ethical, and soon to be legal I'd imagine.


Originally posted by Komonazmuk
Well according to chromosomes.

XX = Female
XY = Male

Not exactly correct. Many persons have different mixes of chromosomes, are human, and are not gendered that way.


Originally posted by r2d246
Just out of curiosity, they use the keyword "transgendered" but do they really change genders? I think shemale is a more realistic term.

Transgender is a term that is mostly used for non-gender conforming persons. It can apply to a butch woman with masculine traits for example, intersexed persons, or transsexuals. This person is a transsexual/transwoman if they are taking hormones etc ...


Originally posted by snarky412
To many kids now a days disappearing or being sexually molested.
They had no idea who this naked "man" was in the girls locker room.

Some studies state that around 80% of these crimes are by relatives or known acquaintance. Transwomen are also taking hormones which chemically castrate.

Not saying not to be aware, but bathrooms are not the Tom Cruise danger zones they are made out to be. You already know how I feel about this person though.


Originally posted by moniesisfun
I say give him the option to have a sex operation and slice that thing off, else he goes to jail for public indecency.

Genital reassignment is often feared / seen as dangerous in trans communities. Some persons try to avoid it. That said ...


Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
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So this guy is a transvestite, not a transexual. It's a dude that still has his junk and is attracted to women, but calls himself a lesbian because he dresses like a girl.

I suspect this is a proper description of Colleen Francis.


Originally posted by mademyself1984
I'm not. I'm struggling to understand how one can say that a Penis isn't what decides whether or not one's gender is male or female. If you are born with a penis, you are a male.

Biologically intersexed persons can have mismatching gender characteristics, which can be a problem since it's not a choice to be bio-intersexed. Though frankly ... any vaguely smart pre-trans person with any kind of empathy or feeling should know not to get naked in front of teenagers!


Originally posted by MrUncreated
If you have no penis, you cannot get it up. And if you willingly get it chopped off, then you have no interest in women anyway.

This isn't exactly correct.

Genital reassignment for men and women doesn't entirely eliminate libido or function. Can look this stuff up yourself I guess haha, I'm quite happy remaining agnostic about people's pants areas on web boards.


Originally posted by snarky412
I smell an "agenda" in the air.... trying to make a statement and didn't care who he made uncomfortable as long as he got his way.

Not everyone has an agenda, and I suspect the only agenda this person had is related to their dating profile interests. >.>

I doubt something like this would get anyone to support #gender persons or foster any kind of understanding.

What this is, is an insult to the transsexual people who conduct themselves with dignity and respect for others, and a creepy person taking advantage of people who already have enough problems without some muppet person giving a sock puppet show in a changing room filled with teenagers.

Must hold back rage.



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by Rastus3663
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That's known as counter transference in the therapy world.


Oh, so therapists who deem somebody to exhibit signs or traits similar to those of a pedophile is being counter transfer-rent. Not calling a pedophile a pedophile. What an inconsiderate way to treat a patient who exposes his penis to children in a women's locker room because he "feels like a lady".



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 08:19 AM
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How about the DSM definition:


Diagnostic criteria for 302.2 Pedophilia
(DSM IV - TR)

A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger).

B. The person has acted on these urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty.

C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.
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