Poison the soil, and you can't plant a garden, grow your own food, let alone think straight.
I think this was a claim that chemtails are poisoning the soil, so I wondered what the basis is for this, and were there any specific claims about
agricultural production being affected "out there"?
well Francis Mangles is a prominent chemtrail "scientist" with a swag of YT videos, credits on WITWATS, etc. who makes a lot of claims about
agriculture and soil pH, and as is often the case many of his claims have bbeen examined at
Here is one of his videos (as you can see it is part 3 of 5 - feel free to check out the others)
In this video at about 4 minutes he says:
Ok, now what happens and what has happened in California? Well, the most dramatic thing that has happened in California is our tomato crops
just went to pieces. We raised the pH so high in California that the bottom fell out of the tomato growers, and now they are raising other crops
instead of tomatoes, that's one major thing."
Well there's a whole heap of tabulated data on the California tomato crop
here. Table 8 has total tomato acreage & harvest from
Guess what's been happening since chemtrails "started" about 1997??
While your thread presents a great case for debunking I have questions about the 'official' statistical information. Is the information audited to
ensure it is correct? Are farmers spoken to personally and randomly by non government, completely independent investigators/assessors to ascertain
whether the statistics are correct?
It is just that with so much government control over information - I am not always secure with what is presented. When the government is in a position
of losing face with the public - it is always in their best interests to present information that suggests - nothing is wrong. Yet there is ample
information available that suggests there are problems. Many people sharing information particularly via the internet suggests that there are
I am not in a position to answer your questions in regard of the USDA statistics - yuo would have to ask them how they gather them and what their
quality assurance procedures are.
However the 2010 "near record" comment/article is credited to:
This outlook report was presented at the recent 29th annual Agribusiness Management Conference in Fresno, Calif. sponsored by the Center for
Agricultural Business, California Agricultural Technology Institute and the Jordan College of Agricultural Sciences and Technology at California State
As an independent research facility, the Center for Agricultural Business (CAB) plays a vital role in helping California's agribusinesses meet the
challenges posed by a changing and increasingly competitive world.
And if the figures were startlingly wrong then one would think there might be news out there somewhere of Farmers questioning why they apparently
aren't getting any of this increase themselves - but all teh articles you see aer about how much more productive agriculture is now vis previously in
so either you're going to include the whole of the California tomato industry as potential chemtrail conspirators, or you have to think there is
something wrong with Mangel's conclusions.
And of course Mangels does not even do us the courtesy of proving ANY basis for his assertion at all - he has no figures that can be questioned, no
study that you can ask whether it was audited or not - just his say so.
edit on 1-11-2012 by Aloysius the Gaul because: spelling
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