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Originally posted by wildespace
reply to post by touchdowntrojans
The article explains it all. NASA said from the start that the astronauts perished in the explosion. When a bit later it became apparent that the crew were alive all the way down and probably even conscious, NASA didn't want to upset the relatives, didn't want ripples in the water, didn't want to be accused to being responsible for horrible suffering of the crew. So they kept secret most details about the recovery, and even removed a big part of the crew cabin from display when there were visitors.
Don't bother nothing new.
Originally posted by WhoDat09
Maybe a summary of that page I went there and that's a lot of reading! I wouldn't mind reading what it says I'd just like a small summary of it here to know whether I would read it ..... or not.
Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by Valhall
They were alive long enough for the pilot to be attempting to restore power to the crew cabin. That can take a little bit of time, so we can assume from that they were alive most of the way to impact. Personally, I believe that they were alive all the way down.
Originally posted by JimOberg
And what's this fantasy about removing a big part of the crew cabin? I have no idea what you're referring to.
At KSC, Bob Crippen was doing his part to keep things buttoned up tight. When members of the press were allowed to look at shuttle debris spread over a hangar floor as part of the reconstruction effort, he ordered the easily recognizable 576 bulkhead, the back wall of the crew compartment, removed from the display before reporters arrived. He didn't want anyone seeing any part of the crew cabin. "They never did let anybody see the wreckage from the crew compartment," says Robert Hotz. "I've seen it. [Commission member] Gene Covert and I went over Crippen's head. We took a look at it and we could see why they were trying to cover it up. It proves very conclusively that the astronauts couldn't survive a ditching. Yet they had been happily giving the astronauts training in how to survive a ditching when everybody knew it was fatal."
Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by JimOberg
I said "a little bit of time", not "quite a bit of time". It's not a matter of just randomly throwing switches, you have to throw the right switches in the right order. A shuttle is similar to an aircraft, and I know how to start an aircraft. You have to throw the switches in a certain order, which means you are looking at a 45 seconds to a minute or so trying to restore power on one attempt. There was enough time for him to try it more than once before the cabin hit the water. They had almost three minutes from break up to impact.
intitially, though the shuttle was invisioned with a seperable cabin and ejection seats. the escape system idea was dropped at some point.
originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Milah
Weight, and the fact that a few seconds after liftoff, they're too fast for anyone to eject safely. The fastest ejection in US history was at 800 mph, which is just over Mach 1.05. Both pilots ejected, but only one survived. The force of the wind instantly ripped his helmet off, broke every blood vessel in his head and face, dislocated his left elbow so badly it was going the wrong way, and broke both legs in half.
During a shuttle launch, they were over Mach 1 within 30-60 seconds, usually shortly after they throttled down the main engines. Once they pass that point, they're beyond the point they can safely eject.
originally posted by: Octave
I remember that day so clearly, I had the TV on but was not watching the launch, i was making the beds instead...I regret that decision to this day.
Not that i wanted to watch everyone get blown into a million little bits, but I still feel guilty