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Originally posted by Doodle19815
I'm confused, why is she being evicted? Does she own the house outright?
A social worker as well as the head of the hospital that she was taken to have both written in support of Black being immediately returned to her home for medical care. She's actively trying to find someone in the legal community to take all the evidence and help her get back into the house she has owned and principally resided at since 1994.
blogs.ocweekly.com...
So why the eviction in the first place?edit on 1-11-2012 by Doodle19815 because: To add source
According to the Orange County Weekly, on the morning of October 10, Orange County deputies broke down Niko Black’s door despite a court order taped to it forbidding them to do so, put a gun in her face and crumpled up the court order. They then carried her out of the home in her wheel chair and left her on the sidewalk while they locked up her home. The deputies locked her medication and medical equipment in the house as well, denying her access to it.
Thomas Friedman, a civil rights attorney at Stephen R. Golden & Associates said in an interview:
We have no information at this time about any claimed ‘standard operating procedure’ within the Orange County Sherriff’s Department. Second, we are currently more concerned with the clear, ongoing violation of Ms. Black’s right to remain in her home, in accordance with the Bankruptcy Court’s Order forbidding her removal, than we are in an unnecessary debate about applying standard procedure when dealing with severely disabled citizens. Isn’t the answer to that clear? Finally, we have no objection where a police officer employs a reasonable standard operating procedure when the situation is ‘standard.’ But, if a police officer enters a home with his or her weapon drawn, and is faced with a disabled, ill, one-hundred pound female, in a wheelchair, holding an order that precludes the very act the police officer is engaged in, then, I would ask, should we be discussing standard operating procedure, or using good judgment?
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
That is unknown. I assume it's been a clerical error all along.
I first heard about this from a Change.org newsletter I get. ( a website for creating your own petitions) Ms. Blacks friend Linda Rife made a petition asking Wells Fargo to comply with the court order not to evict. www.change.org... 2&alert_id=ozoGEQcSnU_bicjZCsNTy
I didn't want to just post the newsletter, so I dug up links and extra info.
Originally posted by Doodle19815
reply to post by Sissel
I see in the OP it says she owned it outright. Perhaps that is the confusion? She didn't own it outright is my thought. Perhaps she owned it in the way I own mine but still pay the mortgage bill? I am still a little confused.
Perhaps OP, you should remove the "outright" until proven otherwise.
Originally posted by cconn487
At the very least they are being held accountable.
Even if she didn't own the home, pulling a gun out seems way over the top given the situation.
Breaking the law for disobeying the order not to evict. I would hope they would get charged with some kind of unlawful use of force pulling a weapon when they weren't supposed to be there in the first place.
I hope there is no slap on the wrist for disobeying protocols. Slaps on the wrist do nothing but let the offender know there is always the chance they can get away while breaking laws.
On October 10th 2012, Wednesday, early in the morning, before anything was even open, the Orange County Sheriff violated a Federal Court Order denying the Bank Well Fargo or any of their affiliates any rights to remove, evict me from my home, harrass me.
The Federal Judge denied a motion they brought that was an inch and a half thick because they had no right to my home, to my property, they have absolutely no right, they committed fraud. I have terminal cancer and they, in an attempt to steal from me while I'm sick and tell me, “What am I going to do about it because they will make sure it takes longer than I will stay alive?
They then violated a Federal Court Order that I went and got myself to protect myself, kicked in my door, I was sick in my bed I had to crawl down the hall to my wheelchair that was sitting by the front door, barely got into my wheelchair. I had the Federal Order taped to the Front Door and also ON FILE WITH ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. They then kicked down my fences on my property.....I called 9/11, I called my local police department ….broke into my home illegally, violated a Court order, put a gun in my face....(she also has a copy of her Federal Court Order in her lap). They put a gun to my face, safety off, finger on the trigger, and they hurt me so bad they put me in the hospital. Carried me, dragged me from my home (they wouldnt let her have any medical things she needed or allow the neighbors to take the dogs just locked them up) and an abulance had to come and pick me up.
(IN TEARS) I stopped breathing. Died in the driveway.
....
(The have already stolen possessions while she was in the cancer ward)
….
I cannot get one law enforcement agency to uphold the law. And when I told the Garden Road??? Police Department that I was alone, that I had cancer, that I was in a wheelchair, and that the Orange County Sheriff was violating a Federal Court Order, put a gun to my face, threatening me, threatening my life, pulling me from my home illegally, violating my constitutional rights, and also the Americans with Disabilities Act, and a Federal Standing Court Order, the Police did absolutely nothing, and from this time have refused to even take reports.
…
I contacted the United States martial, I contacted the FBI. They told me that my local police department can, with that Federal Court Order, can immediately let me into my home, which is where all of my care is set up, my medical equipment, my nursing, my phsiotherapy, evertything. And beause they didn't know if I'm going to be alived long enough, because they have kept me from care, and ripped me from my home, and injured me so badly, I made a dying declaration.
So I'm telling you this story now, so if I do not make it, through this situation alive, that they will be held accountable.
Niko Black v. National Mortgage Network et al Plaintiff: Niko Black Defendants: Atlantic & Pacific Foreclosure Services LLC, Carrington Mortgage Loan Trust Series 2006-NC2, Carrington Mortgage Services Inc, DOES, National Mortgage Network and Wells Fargo Bank N.A. Case Number: 8:2012cv00130 Filed: January 26, 2012 Court: California Central District Court Presiding Judge: Josephine Staton Tucker Referring Judge: Jean P Rosenbluth Nature of Suit: Real Property – Foreclosure
Originally posted by Sissel
reply to post by JohnPhoenix
Allrighty then...Mrs Black did not pay her mortgage. The mortgage she originally had was with a different lender and it was sold to Wells Fargo.
I found this, which has the original court papers on the case.
justiceleaguetaskforce.wordpress.com... lack-never-even-had-a-mortgage-with-wells-fargo-2/
Niko Black v. National Mortgage Network et al Plaintiff: Niko Black Defendants: Atlantic & Pacific Foreclosure Services LLC, Carrington Mortgage Loan Trust Series 2006-NC2, Carrington Mortgage Services Inc, DOES, National Mortgage Network and Wells Fargo Bank N.A. Case Number: 8:2012cv00130 Filed: January 26, 2012 Court: California Central District Court Presiding Judge: Josephine Staton Tucker Referring Judge: Jean P Rosenbluth Nature of Suit: Real Property – Foreclosure
As to why Wells Fargo did not honor that she should not have been evicted is what the issue is here. As I said before that while I sympathize with this woman, she can't say she didn't owe money on her home simply because in her mind Wells Fargo was not her original lender.
edit on 1-11-2012 by Sissel because: (no reason given)
Yes the plot thickens and I did some research on Ms. Black’s situation. As you recall, Ms. Niko Black was illegally forced out of her home by the Orange County sheriffs and Wells Fargo despite a bankruptcy court order not to do. Well, I just learned that Ms. Black never had a mortgage with Wells Fargo:
Niko has owned her home for almost 20 years — and has lived there since she was a child. She never even had a mortgage with Wells Fargo, and has entered into a civil suit around the fraud they have perpetrated against her, fraud that goes back many years. After she filed bankruptcy, the court sided with Niko and put a stay on Wells Fargo’s eviction.
Niko posted the court order on her front door. Despite this, officers from the Sheriff’s Department along with Wells Fargo employees harassed her on several occasions. Finally, on October 10, 2012 officers broke into her home and forcibly evicted her.
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
Your same link even says itself that she " owns her own home",(2nd paragraph below) not that she owes money on the house. If she lived there from a child, it's possible her parents paid off the house.
Now, lets suppose that she did have a mortgage and owes some money on the house - in many circunstances the courts can award the person the ability to stay in the mostly paid for house through a time of trail such as illness - and that person had all legal rights of a homeowner. I know this because i have ill friends down the street that are in the same situation. They tried to foreclose on her mostly paid off house her parents left her, and they got a court to overturn the foreclosure. They do have to pay something each month to keep the costs and banks satisfied but it's a very tiny amount and that comes out of their SS and disability.
This woman may have similar circumstances. Thanks for digging up that info. As far as i knew, and you can check the sources I posted, all indications said she owned her home. I had no indication otherwise.edit on 1-11-2012 by JohnPhoenix because: sp
-quoted from Dune Messiah
The convoluted wording of legalisms grew up around the necessity to hide from ourselves the violence we intend toward each other. Between depriving a man of one hour from his life and depriving him of his life there exists only a difference of degree. You have done violence to him, consumed his energy. Elaborate euphemisms may conceal your intent to kill, but behind any use of power over another the ultimate assumption remains: "I feed on your energy."
Originally posted by Screwed
I love threads like this where everyone acts all shocked that someone's rights were violated.
What country did you think you were living in?
Originally posted by Q33323
Older cops (50+) are usually easy to deal with. These younger ones are just plain mean. You don't even want to make eye contact with them, nor do anything to bring attention to yourself.
Originally posted by crankyoldman
Here is the interesting thing. If she were on the street, sick, and struggling, it is assumed the same exact same "police" would or should, help her.