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posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 02:10 PM
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I got a good chuckle out of your location. Neither here nor there. I have only post but 6 times and it came out in the first.




posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 02:15 PM
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You do not read enough of the teachings if you think The Hidden-hand so to say wants to be evil, they have to be evil. It is all for the better good, a tool to get us onto the next.

You should read the Ra Channeling. May have been "written" 25-30 years ago, but it has more truths of origin and the point of life, and the explanation of why and how Good and Evil do not exist, only oneness.



posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 02:36 PM
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Thanks. From what I read, my personal interpretation is that it has absolutely nothing to have to do with good or evil. But has every to do with who they are. Then again, that's a matter of perspective. A crippled zoo animal would rather be in the wild. It doesn't realize we're keeping it safe. I'd rather be free than safe and imprisoned.



posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 02:49 PM
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The ruling elite are here to offer you a choice of good or bad using your own free will.

If there were no bad/evil in the world nobody would ever have to make a choice.

Adam and Eve are metaphor to represent ALL of humanity male/female...
The apple was free will.

Humanity chose free will over being ruled by "GOD" the one called Jesus. That is where the Old Testament speaks of jealous god that was upset his people chose free will.



posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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So I'm gathering from the responses that perhaps it is humans who are so greedy and evil and lack the morals that the rest of us have, who are at the very least running three rings of the circus simultaneously if not the entire show.
If that be the common theory...
Why all the alien/ god/ Illuminati talk ?
Unless we are back again, looped around to it being Illuminati.

I find fault with that.
That many involved (assuming Bilderberg , Freemason etc) could not possibly keep secrets...

Unless we again assume...that the levels of a pyramid apply.
Sorry, but I'm not a believer.



posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by XLR8R
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Thanks. From what I read, my personal interpretation is that it has absolutely nothing to have to do with good or evil. But has every to do with who they are. Then again, that's a matter of perspective. A crippled zoo animal would rather be in the wild. It doesn't realize we're keeping it safe. I'd rather be free than safe and imprisoned.


well what if something happened and we were created incomplete, and unable to ever ascend. Stuck to repeat the same thing over and over again. And in order to balance our our incompleteness evil must be forced upon this world. And if it was the first time where evil was forced upon someone for the better good of getting back to where we came would you not want sleep.

For at least us to ascend, we must experience it. I for one would like to finally go home some day and "sleep".

So I for one would welcome a short "experience" of heart ache tyranny oppression and imprisonment in order to reach an end. Then be doom to be trapped within my own mind never connecting with anything on an Intelligent level.

Would I be wrong?



posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 03:39 PM
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Alien God Illuminati and HUMANS are all One. All the same. Just different names for the same thing regqrdless of intentions. Just as all of our names are different we are all humans. One



posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by AccessDenied
So I'm gathering from the responses that perhaps it is humans who are so greedy and evil and lack the morals that the rest of us have, who are at the very least running three rings of the circus simultaneously if not the entire show.
If that be the common theory...
Why all the alien/ god/ Illuminati talk ?
Unless we are back again, looped around to it being Illuminati.

I find fault with that.
That many involved (assuming Bilderberg , Freemason etc) could not possibly keep secrets...

Unless we again assume...that the levels of a pyramid apply.
Sorry, but I'm not a believer.


Me neither. Funny how we never point the fingers at ourselves isn't it? Funny how, when you study history, it is actually the 'enlightened' and educated that get stuck on the burning pyre. Why is that do you think?

You can see it here, right now on ATS...since it went thoroughly mainstream...the majority rule. Not the enlightened minority, not the ruling elite either. The 'normals', the 'average Joes'...they are the ones that dictate what will 'be' and who will be marginalised and pilloried. If you look closely at who has the most to lose, should the # hit the fan, it isn't the elites in their protected enclaves, those who can flee to pastures new and start again, it is the middle classes, or the professional classes rather, those who serve civilisation and maintain the status quo. They are the ones who use their position to maintain the system, because without the system they would have no one to feel superior to and no one to aspire to. They are the only ones who need the system to be preserved.

Corporations, it must be remembered, since they are the modern movers and shakers, are not run by individuals, but by Boards of Directors, and more significantly, shareholders. All of them demanding their cut, all demanding a higher profit margin or return on their investment. It is not the guy in the ivory tower, he's already made it. It is the guy half way up the ladder, who knows he can go down far more easily than he can go up. He is the one making sure that those in the gutter cannot organise themselves. Discontent is fine, just so long as that discontent doesn't get itself organised enough to actually do anything other than moan and whine.

That is why most fingers point to those who propose more egalitarian alternatives, and why socialism is, consistently, promoted as being such a dirty word.



posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 04:30 PM
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Thank you.
That was a most thought provoking response.Rattled my grey matter enough to dig deeper for answers.



posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 05:57 PM
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Esoteric knowledge is kept secret from us because the enlightened ones want to control us and use us as a satanic sacrifice to bring the Ascended masters (wikipedia it) back to this plane of existence, all the religions are based on a small amount of this knowledge which has then been twisted through not having all the information and corruption.

They are trying to bring in the Ascended masters by covering the earth in blood by sacrificing 6.6 billion people this is occultism. basically we are a spirit in an animal body which is why it doesn't matter about killing us (ask any nurse about spirits leaving the body once we die).

why do you think the ten commandments tell you not to kill and why hospitals are used to prolong life, question why the population is so high and chuck in the georgia guidestones and bible end times which states that the end of the world will see increased disasters which is why they were doing the earthquakes on purpose.

occultism is based on symbology and numerology so the christian religion says the world was made by god in 4004 bc add to that 2012 and you get the number of the devil which in 2005 was changed from 666 to 616, 6 and 9 is used as the fall of man (by the enlightened ones or illumed ones = illuminati or scum depends how you want to look at them) 4004+2005 = 69, 0 in greek means empty.

So all in all it really doesn't matter you were just here to experience life and learn and if you have gone against your intuition which was your guide then you will most probably have to come back and do it all again.

looks like 6th november is the most likely date as it adds up to 616 then 4004 plus 2012 is 616 then you have the 44th american president the 265th pope the number they use for these masters is 4 theres lots of other signs but unless you want to change the world and realise you have been divided so as they can control you every one of us will have to start treating everyone equally get rid of money and don't to others what you don't want done to yourself easy.



posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 06:30 PM
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We have sacrificed our souls to the negative polarity, so that you can learn to ascend when the ascend Masters, "Necals" come back. And those that do ascend ascend only when they know that oppression slavery, tyranny, half truths and apparent evils are needed for you to ascend. Just because YOUR CREATOR, CREATED YOU INCOMPLETELY. As for your soul to ascend out of your instinctive animalistic consciousness and into your Intelligent consciousness. For if evil did not exist neither would good. Only being, void of intelligence, only being a creature of instinct. Push for the purpose of return to the One infinite creator and aspiring to ascend back to The One Infinite Intelligence where all thoughts were created

For in order for creation a thought need be made.

Physics has always want to see the beginning of the universe. It is the most common thing of all. There are more thoughts than thoughts than thoughts. That how big it is. And how small it is.
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posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 03:42 AM
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Originally posted by knowledgedesired
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The ruling elite are here to offer you a choice of good or bad using your own free will.

If there were no bad/evil in the world nobody would ever have to make a choice.

Adam and Eve are metaphor to represent ALL of humanity male/female...
The apple was free will.

Humanity chose free will over being ruled by "GOD" the one called Jesus. That is where the Old Testament speaks of jealous god that was upset his people chose free will.


Jesus, or as I consider his name to be Joshua, was "a the thought made during the act of tanra between two enlightened beings". Just as your "God", Yeh-weh was "enlighted", "Mary and Joseph", (Oneness remember), Jesus was Created or thought of in the 4th density and born into the third. The power of creation is but thought. Thought is creation and vise avers. We do NOT come from Gods, we come from thought. Who knows if our One Infinite Intelligence Created the thought of our creator. Chances are slim approaching impossible. But all scenerios must be played out in the end the thought of and belief of the impossible fails to exist thus making the once thought of impossible, possible. Or oneness thought. Anyway you look at it it is self-evident fact

Jesus, was not born enlightened and had to obtain it. Ever wonder why Jesus disappeared or went to in the gap of time where history evades you....
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posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 04:55 AM
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Originally posted by jinni73
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Esoteric knowledge is kept secret from us because the enlightened ones want to control us and use us as a satanic sacrifice to bring the Ascended masters (wikipedia it) back to this plane of existence, all the religions are based on a small amount of this knowledge which has then been twisted through not having all the information and corruption.

They are trying to bring in the Ascended masters by covering the earth in blood by sacrificing 6.6 billion people this is occultism. basically we are a spirit in an animal body which is why it doesn't matter about killing us (ask any nurse about spirits leaving the body once we die).

why do you think the ten commandments tell you not to kill and why hospitals are used to prolong life, question why the population is so high and chuck in the georgia guidestones and bible end times which states that the end of the world will see increased disasters which is why they were doing the earthquakes on purpose.

occultism is based on symbology and numerology so the christian religion says the world was made by god in 4004 bc add to that 2012 and you get the number of the devil which in 2005 was changed from 666 to 616, 6 and 9 is used as the fall of man (by the enlightened ones or illumed ones = illuminati or scum depends how you want to look at them) 4004+2005 = 69, 0 in greek means empty.

So all in all it really doesn't matter you were just here to experience life and learn and if you have gone against your intuition which was your guide then you will most probably have to come back and do it all again.

looks like 6th november is the most likely date as it adds up to 616 then 4004 plus 2012 is 616 then you have the 44th american president the 265th pope the number they use for these masters is 4 theres lots of other signs but unless you want to change the world and realise you have been divided so as they can control you every one of us will have to start treating everyone equally get rid of money and don't to others what you don't want done to yourself easy.



So, your belief is that we are being controlled by a group of satanic worshipers who use symbols and numerology to control our fate and our world. Is it easier to believe that all the evil is based on those who worship the devil? More people have been killed on this earth in the name of God, than the devil. If anything..the devil is the lesser of two Evils.
Lucifer6...I read your posts and I see your insight as very religion based. Nothing wrong with that, as it is your experience and your opinion. IMHO it's just very narrow in it's scope. I was raised Christian myself, but it doesn't fully encompass my beliefs. I cannot say that my christian god is any better than any other god therefore has all the knowledge and control over humanity.I have studied other religions and cultures and tried to incorporate all together.
I cannot believe a small 1% of earth has the ability to control everything and everyone, any more easily than one god controls everything.



posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 06:51 AM
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Originally posted by AccessDenied

Originally posted by jinni73
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So, your belief is that we are being controlled by a group of satanic worshipers who use symbols and numerology to control our fate and our world. Is it easier to believe that all the evil is based on those who worship the devil? More people have been killed on this earth in the name of God, than the devil. If anything..the devil is the lesser of two Evils.
Lucifer6...I read your posts and I see your insight as very religion based. Nothing wrong with that, as it is your experience and your opinion. IMHO it's just very narrow in it's scope. I was raised Christian myself, but it doesn't fully encompass my beliefs. I cannot say that my christian god is any better than any other god therefore has all the knowledge and control over humanity.I have studied other religions and cultures and tried to incorporate all together.
I cannot believe a small 1% of earth has the ability to control everything and everyone, any more easily than one god controls everything.



With all do respect... MY understanding of spirituality transcends that of all religion for religion is a thought. A thought after the Original Thought. I have never studied or gave a damn or raised to follow or even picked a book about religion up. I use individuality there, because I am of a social complex. And we are separate of you. (being all in the third density). All I claim to be is a thought. Nothing more nothing less.

Let me dumb it down so to speak, with no disrespect intended. Only intention is to see how much you understand the light. A simple question with a simple answer.

As of your understanding of esoteric laungage is just the opposite, the meaning of esoteric language is to have a group consciousness, instead of separate Instinctive beings of all of you.

Another good understanding yet simple would be taking the individual out of everything in how you speak. When you speak or write. Do not I or me. But always in WE, US, TOGETHER, AS ONE, AMEN, (WHICH IS ALL MEN).

And when you ask as question ask it esoterically in the for that it is not a question. It makes one study the validation of judgement yourself instead of looking to someone else on your journey.


We being, SATAN, or the "lucifer" consciousness, knowledge and light are one of two creators in the influence of "human" life. One thinks for himself in this density to way good/evil. The third density of as many as we can think off. The weighing of good/evil, and influence of the two must be done to have an understanding of oneness.

You say Lucifer, Satan is Evil. When infact he is of light and love wisdom an knowledge, good and evil. Everything a potential thought could be made out of can be made of these six things if you look deep enough.

We "influence", you, (you being of the Yah-weh Consciousness), were given the choose of Knowledge, in the form of good vs evil. So we gave you free will instead of instinct. All the evils ultimately created on this planet is yours and yours alone. If one did not have free will, he would simply just be. Void of intelligent thought. A being of animalistic instinct. Never advancing, just being. Not they they themselves dont have souls. Everything is of thought. Even the earth. There for conscious to a degree. When it feels harmed it lets its occupants know, in the form of natural disasters. Easily divined and predicted. Few are sacrificed for the manys understanding and weighing of good vs evil. You cannot say you do not have evil thoughts. You would be lying to yourself.

Take responsibily for yourselves. And you be come closer. No "religion" is wrong if it eventually has the same end game right.

I could give you so much more information, if you just asked the right questions. I am trying not so sound like a bumbling fool.


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posted on Nov, 3 2012 @ 04:16 AM
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Originally posted by AccessDenied

Originally posted by jinni73
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jinni73 is spot on when he says that the elite use numerology to control world events.

Look at the 18x11's that occurred on Sept 11 2001 to usher in the new world Aquarius (11) era.

More people have been killed on this earth in the name of God, than the devil. If anything..the devil is the lesser of two Evils.

Many say they are Christian simply to have the excuse to murder someone for money. Look at the witch hunts where innocent women were murdered just because their hair was ginger.


IMHO it's [Lucifer6 statement] just very narrow in it's scope.

Yet, inserting religion does fit quite easily with the past, present and future.


I cannot believe a small 1% of earth has the ability to control everything and everyone, any more easily than one god controls everything.


Who created the NWO map super-nations ? The americans are going to be begging for NAFTA soon if it means new jobs.
The 10 horns in the Book of Daniel are the 10 coming super-nations. The 7 heads of the beast are the G7.


Try this.
If religion was mind control then the elite are now committing suicide by covering this world in Wormwood. In the bible Wormwood turns a third of the world's fresh water bitter. Every tank shell, bullet contains depleted uranium that explodes into dust on impact. Those radioactive particles seep into the water table and turns the water bitter (radioactive). Radioactive dust particles are now reaching USA east coast as the dust from the Sahara desert (Libya included) drifts across the Atlantic Ocean every year.

For some strange bizarre reason much of the world wants to erase Israel off the face of this planet. If the world is run by money then why don't the banks simply pay governments to assassinate those who want war with Israel ?
Instead the banks print more money allowing USA to build multiple military bases throughout the Middle-East and cover even more land in radioactive sand.

Russia had a huge tank brigade (or whatever) ready to take back control of Georgia in August 2008 when they tried to go Pro-West. This is because Georgia is the easiest route for Russia's army to enter the Middle-East for the war in the Valley of Megiddo (Armageddon). Georgia didn't have a hope in hell of survival even with Israeli and USA battleships off Georgia's coast at the time.

It seems that history is repeating itself...
www.tomatobubble.com...

In 1833, President Jackson begins his effort to “Kill the Bank” by withdrawing government funds from it and then letting its charter expire without renewal. Jackson hates Biddle’s Bank. He accuses it of causing inflation, creating speculative bubbles, and corrupting the nation’s politics. He is said to have declared to the bankers’ faces: “You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out!”

Notice how the banks have caused many bubbles to appear over the past decades.

The Roshchilds controlled the world during President Jacksons' days just like they control the world now with their Central Banks.

Are you still saying that everything that has happened is purely by chance ?

Then why don't the banks use money wisely and destroy every single weapon of mass destruction on this planet creating peace ?
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posted on Nov, 3 2012 @ 05:51 AM
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I respectfully take into account your point of view. I was not questioning the spirituality of anyone. It veers way off topic of my original post.
Please, for the record..do not ever "dumb down" an answer for me . If I don't understand what you are saying immediately..I'll do my research If I so choose to and try my best to understand in time.
I'm not beyond growth intellectually or spiritually.
Hence the question in my OP.



posted on Nov, 3 2012 @ 05:53 AM
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Thank you for your insight. Your post goes beyond the spectrum of my knowledge, as I don't keep up as much with politics and world events as I should. I suppose that comes with distancing myself from the media for years.
I do however find that you made some very good key points that I wish to explore further.



posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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Fear is a powerful motivator, fear of the mob and a revolution that will come and take your ill-gotten, undeserved stolen positions of wealth and power away. History is replete with violent revolutions which overthrew unjust, evil orders and inflicted terrible punishments on the perpetrators and even their innocent children, like the French Revolution. That is a powerful motivator to create a society that pretends to be just and democratic while behind the scenes you assert more and more power and control for your class at the top behind the scenes.

Also consider the promise of transhumanism -- soon enough, medical technology will let some people live far beyond normal human lifespans. There children will be intelligent, healthy, and beautiful through genetic engineering. Do you think such an abilities will be shared freely with everyone on the planet? It will be exclusively for the elites, and it will create a level of inequality on this planet the likes of which we have never seen.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 05:31 AM
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Originally posted by jinni73
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Esoteric knowledge is kept secret from us because the enlightened ones want to control us and use us as a satanic sacrifice to bring the Ascended masters (wikipedia it) back to this plane of existence, all the religions are based on a small amount of this knowledge which has then been twisted through not having all the information and corruption.


If 'they' think that that is the way to bring back 'Ascended Masters' then they are in for a shock, and a significant disappointment I am afraid.

I look at it from a different angle, the knowledge is written esoterically to ensure that it is preserved and can be found by those that seek it. That is, to prevent it from being taken away from everyone. And, if you look at it, it has worked, and more people have access to that information than ever before in our history if they choose to seek it.

Certainly, if we look at history, and at those that have sought to destroy or limit such knowledge, we can even see a pattern that indicates that much of what they tried to destroy they did so not so much to obtain exclusive possession of that knowledge, but because they themselves did not understand it and therefore feared it.

And why? Because ALL the esoteric knowledge, gained, assimilated and then lived leads to a state of being that does not require 'rule' or law, and moreover, abandons as unnecessary, material concerns.

Now, glancing around the world, at the movers and shakers, the warmongers that drive production and economy, why on earth, in month of Sundays, would they want to bring back the Ascended Masters? Don't you think that'd be the equivalent to pissing on your own chips? Surely they are more likely to attempt to influence to do the exact opposite? If they were going to influence us one way or another that is.

The point is, the information, the esoteric teachings are available for all to find, if they choose to seek them. They have been saved and preserved, despite numerous attempts to destroy them, they keep coming back because they have been hidden, in plain sight. The PTB, wouldn't be the PTB if they understood that teaching, they couldn't survive given the hostility of the environment. Which is why, the teachings can be hidden in plain sight. They don't understand them, wouldn't know 'em if they smacked 'em in the chops. Simple.

Soooo...all the PTB have to do is prevent others from seeing them. And that is as easy as. Keep on with marketing the shiny, appealing to our bird brains, and we never progress beyond that.



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posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 07:57 AM
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Exquisitely stated.

And you can find the teachings hidden within many of the greatest works of culture. From Shakespeare to DaVinci. From the Pyramids (on both hemispheres) to the most basic temple ruins.

One great trick is to look for phi. If you find phi, you likely will find other references to esoterica.





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