Originally posted by ladyteeny
seeing as how i'm actually awake at this ridiculous time of the morning i'll answer those!

1. yes i believe some of them are crafts.
2. variety of shapes because, like our modes of transport over the years, they evolve or get upgraded.
3. i think some are piloted craft and some aren't. like our planes, and our mars rovers.
4. some yes, they're either programmed internally, or controlled from afar... if from afar then either their home world, or another craft somewhere, i've seen them go from solid visible to invisible so i don't think its out of the question to suppose that some could be invisible.
5. i think some are extra terrestrial and i base it on my own communications with them once.
6. nope, can anybody?
7. yes. aviation background, eyes that have seen manoeuvres that aren't possible with our current understanding of physics, and communication.

as an add on, i believe there are multiple races of ET, i thought that before the internet existed and before ufos were as widely reported as they are now.

obviously discounting the earth-made craft, whether they're from inner earth, the moon, mars, jupiter, or some far away distant place we haven't yet discovered, i believe most of them are from somewhere else. i can't rule out the inner earth theory for some of them, and i can't rule out the theory of underwater bases for some of them.. but i don't believe that is for all of them.

in short, i've seen loads and loads of ufos, i don't believe that our current civilisation is anything to do with them due to the nature of their movements and abilities.

wonder how many people are going to call us nutjobs now!

I am a student of the mind and I am constantly surprised as to the extent of how people come to their conclusions but neverthless I love surprises.

Your answer to 5 is intriguing. (5. i think some are extra terrestrial and i base it on my own communications with them once.) Myself and am sure other members would like to read about your experience if you'll grace us with it.

Originally posted by The Shrike
Let me qualify myself first: I do not believe UFOs are real, I know UFOs are real from first-hand experience after having 5 or 6 solid sightings and I do not think that they are extra-terrestrial..

Where are UFOs from? I have no idea. But since no evidence has been produced I cannot support such an opinion. And if I don't have evidence I don't make nor support claims, regardless.

Now, let me ask you simple questions:
1. Do you think UFOs are crafts?
2. If you do, why are there such a variety of shapes?
3. Do you think that if UFOs are craft, do they contain beings which would pilot the alleged craft?
4. Would you consider UFOs as remotely operated vehicles and if you do, where would their
controlers be located?
5. Why do you think UFOs are extra-terrestrial and what do you base it on?
6. Can you provide any evidence for your opinions?
7. If you do not have any evidence, then you must be employing a belief system so what led you to
your beliefs?

1. Yes, I believe they very well could be crafts, since many eyewitnesses describe them as such.
2. It's not unusual to me that they would have a variety of shapes, since there are a variety of shapes to known crafts already.
3. Yes, I believe it was a good idea to look at UFOs like crafts piloted by beings. Seems logical to deduce.
4. Yes, I believe that some sightings claim there were very small crafts coming out of larger crafts.
5. It seems most likely they are extra-terrestrial since no base, or home has been found on earth.
6. I believe the eye-witness reports are very strong evidence, and some sightings have radar corroboration, as well. But the strength of multiple witnesses, and individual witnesses has always made the subject of UFOs to be more of a reality than a myth, to me.
7. It's the same belief system I have for believing whether or not some historical person, or event occurred in the past. There is enough evidence for me to believe Julius Caesar existed, even though I don't have his bones in front of me, never knew him, and can never know for sure. I believe there is enough evidence already to believe that sightings/encounters with alien crafts have happened.

Originally posted by liejunkie01
Until I have absolute proof,

I believe that they are some black project aircraft.

Countries of the world spend a lot of money on r and d. I think that they have a little bit more than radio controlled drones in the hanger.

It sounds more logical than a being from another planet visiting us. I think that the governments want us to believe it is alien.

Just my opinion.

How can you believe that we are so advanced technologically that we are responsible for even one of the aerial wonders that are called UFOs? How can you believe that there are such real black projects. On what do you opinion? It isn't just simple r and d, there has to be a source. All human aerial craft are limited by the laws of aerodynamics and I've never seen nor heard of the laws being overcome. I do not share your opinion that governments wants us to think anything other than that they care for their citizens which is as big a myth as you can imagine.

Originally posted by Night Star
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That's what I was going to say pretty much. There have been reports of UFO's long before the first airoplane was even built. Someone must be piloting those things.

Yours is a simple assumption. You know what's in the latest news, that drones are the order of the day. Anyone not familiar with how drones operate may also assume that there's someone inside them unless they see a drone on the ground and see its real small size not allowing for a "normal" human, although animals and small people have been employed as passengers.

The only way for centainty is to have a "THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL" moment similar to when Michael Rennie stepped out of the craft. But if the craft is a ROV, no one is going to step out.

Originally posted by Zarniwoop
1. Do you think UFOs are crafts?
- Yes

2. If you do, why are there such a variety of shapes?
- Design diversity amongst manufacturers. And... most pics are fakes anyway.

3. Do you think that if UFOs are craft, do they contain beings which would pilot the alleged craft?
- Some yes. Some no. Depends upon whether they are in test or production.

4. Would you consider UFOs as remotely operated vehicles and if you do, where would their
controlers be located?
- Sure... the ones being tested...Controllers are probably located at military facilities.

5. Why do you think UFOs are extra-terrestrial and what do you base it on?
- I don't think they are ET for the most part. I suppose there is a possibility of some ET tech used, whether that was reverse-engineered from a crash, or passed to humans via some other method.

6. Can you provide any evidence for your opinions?
- The one and only one I ever saw back in 1973 was in the vicinity of Vandenberg AFB.

2. What manufacturers? While an unknown percentage of UFO images are fakes, I accept that a large percentage are not. Eventually, with all of those cellphone apps continuing to increase in numbers, that large percentage will become less and less.

3. & 4. Do your answers mean that you consider all UFOs to be human constructed? Military projects only? If yes, where did this miraculous technology come from? Are all UFO sightings of test craft? Is it possible for anyone connected with these projects able to maintain 100% silence?

5. If the test craft may have been reverse-engineered or the technology gotten from an "alien" source, how do you tell the difference from "our" and "their" craft?

6. You had a UFO sighting, was it detailed enough to be able to tell the difference between "ours" and "theirs"?

Although there are many thoroughly investigated UFO incidents, one incident I hold as the smoking gun to the existence of extraterrestrials and their vehicles is the Travis Walton case. Five witnesses who have all passed polygraph tests who have never wavered from their stories til this day, is proof to me that UFO's are extraterrestrial. Their personal testimonies even today, still evokes emotional responses from them.

Other multiple witness cases such as the Allagash incident, The Rendlesham Forest UFO Landings, The Stanford, Kentucky Abductions. These multiple witness & abduction accounts are validation that not all UFO's can be easily explained as being man made.

1. Yes, they are crafts as we understand. Others such as orbs, are like drones.
2.Different origin.
3.Some are like drones as we know today. So much more advanced.
4.At origin,or bases set up from moon, mars, even deep sea earth. I have lately began to feel some use a dimension shift..
5. Our known current technology can not match observed movement, speed, even to simply vanish as we know.
6. No
7.Yes, I feel a belief in intelligent life form outside earth. If so, this could be so ancient,so advanced beyond our current technology and understanding. I do not feel we will be around long enough to develop time travel. Its not "us" we see.

Originally posted by chadderson

1. I define a UFO as a many would, an unidentified flying object. The majority of reports indicate a metallic structure, so based on a 'hard outer case' design i presume they would be crafts.

2. Obviously because there are many ways to fly, just as there are to move across land or water.

3. Crafts that are piloted are just as plausible as remotely operated crafts, or even AI crafts.

4. If they were remotely operated perhaps they come from inside of our earth rather than outer space.

5. Now that i think about it, the only reason i associated UFO's with 'outer space ET's' is because of cultural programming. I suppose one could be equally creative in envisioning an inner earth entity. Current theories about an inner earth form of life are just as plausible as any outer space life forms.

6. Life exists on all levels, all planes, all dimensions, or whatever label one would like to use.... there is nothing in creation, nothing that we can witness as human beings, that is not living. Death is often misinterpreted as the end, when it is merely a transition to more life. The body that holds our electric essence is one plane/dimension/level that we experience. I believe there is life out there because we already know it exists on a level we can see with our own eyes all the way down to so small microscopes must be used, all the way down to the building blocks of our reality. There is a universal pattern and it goes downwards in perspective just as it does upwards. The levels of consciousness and life in the cosmos is tough to interpret because it outlives us as human beings, which limits our perspective and scope of understanding; whereas on the microscopic level we can watch thousands of lifespans of a cell unfold in a matter of human minutes. There is life out there, but when we are conditioned to look for a specific thing to label 'ET / UFO / Life form' we automatically limit what we are able to see. I believe there is a higher power. I think labels confuse people, because i have often told people that i believe in "god" but i dont really know what to call it to be honest. I do know it exists, and i have experienced enough of it that i can wholeheartedly have faith in it.

7. My old beliefs of UFO's and "green aliens" were certainly from cultural conditioning. My current beliefs are based almost entirely on the feelings, emotions, daydreams, and thoughts that I encountered when I experimented with a...and without infringing upon ATS terms and conditions i will only use a vague and harmless label to identify.... naturally growing from mother earth hallucinogenic substance. I had so many things happen all at once, and the sheer gravity of how the events impacted my heart and soul, that i determined there was no such thing as a 'coincidence'. The higher power revealed itself to me.

Thank you for reading, I hope you found my thoughts entertaining!

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I found your thoughts entertaining and educational which helped me think differently and that's always a plus.

1. A metallic-skin is an assumption as there have been many reports of plasma, etc., although metallic resonates with us due to the majority of our aircraft but fiberglass also is used as well as other exotic materials.

2. Interesting comparison.

3. But they are still a mystery and not all UFOs may use the same propulsive power. Our helicopters can hover but they can't accelerate as fast as some UFOs have been reported to do. My "stars" sighting was one of these.

4. Which of course means someone, somewhere controlling them and where on earth could they "hang out"? Least of all is, of course, their purpose in the first place. You know the mystery is not just the "nuts and bolts" but who or what is behind them. I'd hate to die and not know the possible answer.

5. You supplied the answer to the thread's question! It's cultural programming! This is also the main answer to the Roswell incident. Both sources have to be considered but only as discussion 'cause no one knows yet if they are from "in here" or "out there".

6. Without insulting your intelligence your belief in god is the result of cutltural programming or, better put, mental conditioning. History supports that all gods are human creations from the Egyptians to the Aztec, and before and after.

7. Coincidences are a part of life since nothing is preordained. My intake also helped me to understand how the mind works but the internal world is definitely separate from physical reality. UFOs are part of that physical reality and my dream UFOs behave totally different and creating emotions I didn't get when I had my physical sightings.

Originally posted by K-PAX-PROT
Until there is evidence produced that proves or justifies that there is NO possible possibility of any UFOs having an ET origin then that possibility remains valid until proven otherwise.Premature rejections of the ET possibility ,(or an ET intelligence having the technology to visit us), at our current understanding is not a wise mind set to have or indeed the perception of no possibilities is not a scientific protocol i would encourage.

I just find it really arrogant and indeed unwise to prejudge such possibilities of ET origins for how can we come to such pre mature judgements does suggest agendas of debunking at any cost, even it means ignoring the wealth of evidence outside the "UFO landing on the Whitehouse lawn" situation of those UFO cases that contain high levels of strangeness unexplainable flight characteristics ect, if there was none of the latter then maybe there would be a case of no possible ET origins but there ARE. Offer proof or evidence that there is no possibility of ET intelligences behind even just one UFO report until then the ET possibility stands , "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" that works also to for the claims of no possible ET origins. The ET source stands as one of a number of explanations and at present cannot be removed from that list.

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In my opinion you are partially correct. I am pragmatic which is why I reject UFOs as being extra-terrestrial 'cause all we have are strange aerial objects which are not the result of our present technology. My view may seem arrogant to some but I've lived on planet Earth for 74 years and all I've ever seen are earthlings. The ETH is a human creation based on a romantic notion. Until someone or something disembarks from a landed UFO (now just an O) I won't change my mind.

The only link of UFOs to ETs is that they have been seen and filmed flitting over the surface of the moon and on some Martian videos. But no evidence of real deep space origins.

Originally posted by trysts

Originally posted by The Shrike
Let me qualify myself first: I do not believe UFOs are real, I know UFOs are real from first-hand experience after having 5 or 6 solid sightings and I do not think that they are extra-terrestrial..

Where are UFOs from? I have no idea. But since no evidence has been produced I cannot support such an opinion. And if I don't have evidence I don't make nor support claims, regardless.

Now, let me ask you simple questions:
1. Do you think UFOs are crafts?
2. If you do, why are there such a variety of shapes?
3. Do you think that if UFOs are craft, do they contain beings which would pilot the alleged craft?
4. Would you consider UFOs as remotely operated vehicles and if you do, where would their
controlers be located?
5. Why do you think UFOs are extra-terrestrial and what do you base it on?
6. Can you provide any evidence for your opinions?
7. If you do not have any evidence, then you must be employing a belief system so what led you to
your beliefs?

1. Yes, I believe they very well could be crafts, since many eyewitnesses describe them as such.
2. It's not unusual to me that they would have a variety of shapes, since there are a variety of shapes to known crafts already.
3. Yes, I believe it was a good idea to look at UFOs like crafts piloted by beings. Seems logical to deduce.
4. Yes, I believe that some sightings claim there were very small crafts coming out of larger crafts.
5. It seems most likely they are extra-terrestrial since no base, or home has been found on earth.
6. I believe the eye-witness reports are very strong evidence, and some sightings have radar corroboration, as well. But the strength of multiple witnesses, and individual witnesses has always made the subject of UFOs to be more of a reality than a myth, to me.
7. It's the same belief system I have for believing whether or not some historical person, or event occurred in the past. There is enough evidence for me to believe Julius Caesar existed, even though I don't have his bones in front of me, never knew him, and can never know for sure. I believe there is enough evidence already to believe that sightings/encounters with alien crafts have happened.

I'm an eyewitness! And I am in no position to state factually that what I saw was a craft. Eyewitnesses can only use familiar comparisons but do not know for a fact that UFOs are craft. Yes, they are mostly aerial objects. Yes, they "look" metallic". Yes, human aerial objects usually require a pilot but not always. The variety of shapes and behavior has to make one think of diversity which would be the result of more than one. The human race is one, are alleged aliens also one race or more? Where could such diversity originate from and how is it that they all "decided" to be here at the same time? Is there really a "space federation"? No base or home has been found on Earth but for that matter no base or home has been found anywhere! Not on the Moon or Mars or any planet. We rely on written history as support for the reality of our past. We have structures credited to Caesar and other ancient beings. But people believe whether there is no evidence, Jesus being the best known myth. UFOs are real and the circumstancial evidence is enough to erase all doubt except for skeptics who do not accept what is, to me, enough evidence.

Originally posted by WeRpeons
Although there are many thoroughly investigated UFO incidents, one incident I hold as the smoking gun to the existence of extraterrestrials and their vehicles is the Travis Walton case. Five witnesses who have all passed polygraph tests who have never wavered from their stories til this day, is proof to me that UFO's are extraterrestrial. Their personal testimonies even today, still evokes emotional responses from them.

Other multiple witness cases such as the Allagash incident, The Rendlesham Forest UFO Landings, The Stanford, Kentucky Abductions. These multiple witness & abduction accounts are validation that not all UFO's can be easily explained as being man made.

In reality, there isn't a single UFO incident that has been thoroughly investigated because the investigations started after the fact and all that could be investigated were reports and site investigations which were inconclusive.

I am not a Travis Walton supporter and consider his claim to be totally bogus regardless of who says what. Many believe his claimed experiences but many also believe a UFO crashed near Roswell or that the Phoenix "lights" were UFOs instead of flares. I stick with facts not unsupported beliefs. Claiming that you were abducted by alleged aliens does not result in said alleged alien being extraterrestrial. You don't seem to be aware that some humans will go to great lengths to ellicit not only emotional responses but ellicit your buck$.

There are some cases that make me think but I'm still undecided since all I have are accounts and I do not pooh pooh them I simply keep them on the back burner. The Allagash claims are one and possibly the only one I give serious consideration to. The others you mention I'm less acceptable of.

Yes I believe that UFOs exist and that they are indeed craft.I also believe they are aliem.Why?Because mlst reports are of movements so far ahead of our time,also many reports were before there were even cars let alone planes.Although our governments are involved in some way because of things like area51 and Dulce. As to proof, ive seen at least two UFOs infact one was right over my friends house.