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Originally posted by Ralphy
Religion can be considered a misinterpretation of identity. Many talk about religion as if they were talking about themselves. The fact that people claim a particular book or belief is true is an act of the ego or identification. They do have truth when they say their beliefs are true because really they are talking about themselves and their beliefs become symbols to represent their identity. The beliefs themselves are mere opinions and are not relevant because it is the identification to these beliefs that makes them important to people. Many defend their beliefs to the death because they are really trying to protect their identity that is entangled into their beliefs.
In modern day religion, the pattern of worship is for people to attend their churches and to follow their clerical patriarchs’ guidance so as to fulfill their requirements to God.
Most of the people do not feel compelled to engage in deep contemplation, but are simply faithful to Jesus Christ and obedient to the church dogma. These good Christian people have done their best to live as Christ has advocated and as they have been taught and reared.
But, if we were to view Christ’s teachings differently, as a path of transformation, we see that he tells us to struggle and to think for ourselves and to change our lives so that we eliminate the weaknesses and errors of the ego. In this way, we begin to take responsibility for who we are as spiritual beings before God.
To explain this in a slightly different context, our ego/personalities attempt to understand the mythical story of Jesus Christ as presented to us through the institutions of religion, in the only way it knows, through its understanding of spatial reality.
With the best of intentions, people attempt to be faithful and to conform to religious instruction, but what no one seems to realize is that everyone is still functioning in their ego/personality (natural mind). Under these circumstances, the best anyone can do is to change their mask or self-concept to conform to the example given to us by Jesus Christ and be more loving and giving.
We humans are subject to the biological and psychological forces within our natural minds and physical bodies and the best we can do under these circumstances is to modify our behavior to emulate Jesus Christ.
On the surface, there is absolutely nothing wrong with this, it’s just that it is still 3rd dimensional reality only with a new and cleaner mask. A new, cleaner, or praising mask is not what Christ meant by being born again.
Originally posted by adjensen
In order for this to be an "objective look at religion", these conclusions need to be backed up with facts, because without facts, these are simply opinions. Kindly cite your sources that say people will defend their beliefs to the death because they are trying to protect their egos, rather than doing so because they actually believe in what they stand up for.
Thousands voluntarily joined the military in World War II (as an example,) because they believed in the defense of democracy, and many died in that defense. Are you claiming that they were simply egos run wild?
Originally posted by wildtimes
I'm too broke to pay the $29 download fee, but the abstract can by viewed in the link, just FYI.
Originally posted by Ralphy
It looks like you associate the word "ego" with selfishness(which is usually interpreted as "bad") from what I understand. Whether someone dies for their ego or "what they believe, its the same thing. You are assuming this is bad because of your judgments.
People joined the war efforts because they identified with it, the saw themselves in it.
Originally posted by adjensen
No -- though I'm not into psychology, I understand the concepts of ego, superego and id, but I just don't see that there is a necessary connection between having a belief and necessarily attributing that to a need of the ego. Which is why I asked for actual objective evidence of it, because, since I see it as invalid, I see your position as a valid, but subjective, one.
I don't think that's a defensible statement, particularly on a universal basis.
I'm not a psychologist and don't know much beyond the basics, so my eyes glossed over pretty quickly, but my read of it is that he doesn't think that ego begets religion, as OP is claiming, but that religion and ego mesh to help make a "whole" person, which is kind of the opposite of what OP is saying.
But, like I said, not my field, so I might be way off there.