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Originally posted by TheMaverick
If you and the other guy in this thread who are so supportive of this tablighi jamaat religious political movement, then go live in Saudi Arabia or Iran were they have sharīʿah, and lets see how long you last living with western freedoms you take for granted under them states.
Discussion is about a meeting of opinions. By replying like this, i am afraid you are losing credibility for me in this particular thread. I would expect more from a member that has Military Intelligence as part of their avatar.
Opposition based on the group behind the plans is a position i can understand. Opposition based on it being a mega mosque is not something i can understand. There are people on this thread who fall into both of those camps.
Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by khimbar
Was never my intention to change any minds, only trying to understand better. Sometimes true intentions are not always as they seem. From what I can tell here in this thread, you do not seem to be an unreasonable person.
I'm still thinking about your point, the one being if I do object to them scoring a cheap political point and raising a mosque shaped middle finger, am I somehow infringing on their freedom of expression rights to do so.
Originally posted by TheMaverick
reply to post by khimbar
I'm still thinking about your point, the one being if I do object to them scoring a cheap political point and raising a mosque shaped middle finger, am I somehow infringing on their freedom of expression rights to do so.
Quite often in life, people abuse and take advantage from another's good nature and intentions, and this is a prime example, opposing this is not infringing on their freedom of expression, it's saying enough is enough, and you will not take advantage of our free society for political gains and agenda's.
Sometimes you have to put your foot down.
Lets say we give the green light for this build, now once it's built, they impose sharīʿah to this mosque as they make no secret about. this means by giving them freedom of expression, we take away our freedom of expression, it's just complete madness...
Originally posted by Sinny
Sharia Law worries me.
Yes, I'm against the build.
edit on 31-10-2012 by Sinny because: (no reason given)
reply to post by Sinny
However - having said that, a lot of our Muslim friends seem hell bent on converting/infiltrating/sabotaging the UK.
On a side note - I'd much prefer being surrounded by thousands of Chinese people instead of people who would stone me/ gang rape me/ chop off my hands because I'm wearing something "to revealing".
get real.
The Muslim religion is still 2 centuries behind our western culture, so unless they want to embrass it - I see no need for them to be here.
Originally posted by deepankarm
what western culture???? i think you westerners would shame the most primitive of humans.
Originally posted by Sinny
Originally posted by DocHolidaze
reply to post by Sinny
if people want to believe in whatever some dude wrote down along time ago that's there bad, does it effect you personally, cause from the tone of ur post it seems like u dont agree with a worship building being placed in London?
The fact the plans are have been progressing since 1999 and haven't been scrapped is rather telling - I think.
Sharia Law worries me.
Yes, I'm against the build.
edit on 31-10-2012 by Sinny because: (no reason given)
Sharia law?
Originally posted by TKDRL
You can cherrypick the bible the same way, are you also against their churches being built?
Koran 9:29
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
Koran
60:1 Don't be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah's) enemy.
63:4 Disbelievers are perverted. They are the enemy, confounded by Allah.
58:14-15 If a Muslim is friends with a non-Muslim, Allah has prepared a terrible doom.
5:80 Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah.
53:29 Stay away from non-Muslims, especially those who disbelieve in the afterlife.
4:144 Do not choose disbelievers as friends.
5:51 Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.
33:48 Non Muslims and their poisonous talk is to be ignored
9:107 Stay away from non-Muslims. They are all liars.
3:73 Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim.
5:45 Non-Muslims are wrong doers.
59:11 The disbelieving people of the Scripture are liars.
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