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reply posted on 1-11-2012 @ 04:45 PM by Phage
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I mean, is there not a chance that our proximity to the centre of our solar system, our position, within the shell of the termination shock, and indeed the heliosphere, makes us somewhat unprepared for making informed assumptions about the fine detail of what may occur at the transition points between the various layers of radiation, cosmic rays that surround our system.

That's sort of the point of going out there. Isn't it?
Learning. Like learning that the bowshock doesn't exist. And we didn't have to get out there to find that out.
www.sciencedaily.com...


reply posted on 1-11-2012 @ 05:02 PM by TrueBrit
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Which is sort of what I was getting at. It seems silly for science to express suprise when there was garunteed to be some utterly improbable crap happening at the edges of our solar system! Dont get me wrong, I am more than understanding of the fact that the very reason we sent the probe in the first place, was to learn these things. What I do not understand, is the way the results are recieved by the scientific community.

If I had the grades to go to university, I would hope I wouldnt have the sheer audacity to act suprised when learning something new! In the same way, how can the people who monitor these projects, with the intent of learning from them, then why in the name of Dirac would they act all suprised when they discover gaps in thier logic and therefore thier theories? If we thought we bloody well knew it all, then why send the damned thing in the first place?


reply posted on 1-11-2012 @ 05:16 PM by Phage
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It seems silly for science to express suprise when there was garunteed to be some utterly improbable crap happening at the edges of our solar system!

I don't really see science expressing surprise, it's more of a, "huh, look at that."

But what's wrong with that? Scientists tend to get excited about "surprises". It's their job. They thought there was a bowshock. There isn't. Surprise! Now...let's figure out why not! They expected a decrease in high energy particles at the heliopause. There was an increase. Surprise! Now...let's figure out why. The more surprises the better.

It seems like you're falling into the meme that "scientists think they know everything". It ain't like that. Some scientists are pretty sure they're right about some things. Other scientists love it when those guys are shown to be wrong and a lot of those guys who are shown to be wrong love it too. I've known a few. That's really how they are.
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reply posted on 1-11-2012 @ 06:02 PM by Wolfenz
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A Legit Reason ......


Ribbon at Edge of Our Solar System: Will the Sun Enter a Million-Degree Cloud of Interstellar Gas?
ScienceDaily (May 24, 2010) — Is the Sun going to enter a million-degree galactic cloud of interstellar gas soon?


www.sciencedaily.com...


NASA: our solar system passing into INTERSTELLAR CLOUD that 'should not exist', may collide
www.abovetopsecret.com...


in 2008

Space / StarsHow a Cloud of Space Dust Could Wipe Out Life on Earth
Seemingly innocuous specks could throw off the whole solar system—and we might not see them until it's too late.

by Jeffrey Winters
From the Whole Universe special issue; published online December 30, 2008
discovermagazine.com...:int=1&-C=


reply posted on 2-11-2012 @ 03:34 AM by Fakshon
reply to post by Josephus



I say it hits the shell of a giant turtle that the universe is riding on, lol. Well as for Dec. 21 or so I wonder if we do breach in to interstellar space if we receive a signal we either want to hear or don't want to hear, lol. Exciting times. Lets hope we don't piss off the turtle.


reply posted on 2-11-2012 @ 03:39 AM by Fakshon
reply to post by pacifier2012



Scientific Theory is actually stronger than what we call facts. Scientific Theory is a hypothesis (educated guess) that has been tested, data collected, reviewed, pulled apart, verified, and continues to get tested forever, if the hypothesis doesn't line up with the data then it is changed or even scrapped. A fact is just a statement of what we believe to be true, however it doesn't go through the testing and verification that a Scientific Theory goes through.

Look up the definitions of a Fact and a Theory. Is history fact? Actually history is written by the victors so indeed it's not fact it's one side of a story.



reply posted on 2-11-2012 @ 04:38 AM by Hijinx
I don't know why, but I have this weird thought.
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Nasa: Voyager will be breaking the heliopause in 5....4.....3.....2.....1.....
Voyager 1: *doink*
17hrs later.
Nasa: Ummm, voyager 1 has run into some unexpected results today. It would appear our solar system is a giant snow globe of sorts.... The heliopause is a giant bubble...
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From here it can go a number of ways.

______

God: Ha ha, you fools. I created your world, and you challenge my greatness!!!
*appocolypse*

Or it could also go like this.

*huge swarms of UFO's land on Earth*
Alien 1" Excuse me, earthling. Tell me, what was it like to be a star on The Intergalactic Entertainment Network"
*Alien Paparazi, and reporters the world over knock on every man woman and child's doors*
All the world leaders, and "Celebrities" disrobe their flesh suits, and reveal they were all highly payed intergalactic actors.

Universe's greatest reality show. "Earth"

Or we will find out we're all part of a giant simulation that was never programmed for Man, or any of it's creations to leave the heliosphere. At which point, the system could crash, restart, or who knows for that matter. Maybe we will all wake up tomorrow to the blue screen of death.

In all seriousness though, this is truly exciting. I simply hope once they pass the heliopause we don't lose contact with Voyager due to currently unknown disturbances. I'm sure there are sound theories as to what will happen, but what if the conditions in, or outside the heliopause disrupt the signal, or damage sensitive instruments. It's a valid thought is it not?
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reply posted on 2-11-2012 @ 04:41 AM by Hijinx
Originally posted by Fakshon
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post by pacifier2012



Scientific Theory is actually stronger than what we call facts. Scientific Theory is a hypothesis (educated guess) that has been tested, data collected, reviewed, pulled apart, verified, and continues to get tested forever, if the hypothesis doesn't line up with the data then it is changed or even scrapped. A fact is just a statement of what we believe to be true, however it doesn't go through the testing and verification that a Scientific Theory goes through.

Look up the definitions of a Fact and a Theory. Is history fact? Actually history is written by the victors so indeed it's not fact it's one side of a story.


fact/fakt/
Noun:

A thing that is indisputably the case.
Information used as evidence or as part of a report

the·o·ry/ˈTHēərē/
Noun:

A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, esp. one based on general principles independent of the thing to be...: "Darwin's theory of evolution"
A set of principles on which the practice of an activity is based: "a theory of education"; "music theory".

sup·po·si·tion/ˌsəpəˈziSHən/
Noun:
An uncertain belief.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...... I think you have them backwards mate.

Seems facts are indisputable, and a theory is an uncertain belief of ideas....


Oh, and History, ( His story) is one side of the events that took place. There are always different accounts as to what happened, even in the history books. The issue is commonly in history the victor get's to tell the tale, and unfortunately a lot of things are not told. There are facts in history, how ever there are also theories, and much of history isn't available so it's educated guesses. Look at any "current" wars, you're not told everything now, you won't find out for many years to come, or not at all. Then someone will look for evidence to piece together what did happen.

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reply posted on 2-11-2012 @ 06:35 AM by Loki1LouAmardd2Revan3
reply to post by smyleegrl



hmm i don't know much about this topic but i will try to study up on this to gain an understanding on this topic . i love learning new things !


reply posted on 2-11-2012 @ 06:51 AM by PerfectAnomoly
reply to post by AlexIR



Unfortunately.... as the Voyager's travel further away from earth their nuclear energy reactors are losing power... which is the original reason why the camera's were switched off... coupled with the fact that when they actually left our solar system there wasn't really anything else to take pictures of, unless you like pictures of dots of light... so the camera's were the first items of equipment to be turned off....

Now they are having to turn off one instrument after another to conserve enough energy to actually get the signal back to earth.... a signal which now is equivalent to less than half a watt of power! Amazing how we pick up that weak signal from billions of miles away isn't it!!

So, the vessels can continue to travel and relay information, but with decreasing levels of detail due to less instruments operating....

PA


reply posted on 2-11-2012 @ 06:53 AM by PerfectAnomoly
reply to post by Loki1LouAmardd2Revan3



The BBC showed a marvelous program a couple of weeks ago about the Voyager missions... it took you through the complete mission, from conception to present day, including all the amazing discoveries and photos from the early days... excellent program... watch if you can!

Available on BBC Iplayer...

www.bbc.co.uk...

Goes into wonderful detail....

Enjoy.

PA
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