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Originally posted by lucid eyes
Only liberals need "scientific proof" of what is obvious to the rest of us.
Originally posted by Dark Ghost
Scientists offer quantum theory of soul's existence
A PAIR of world-renowned quantum scientists say they can prove the existence of the soul.
edit on 31/10/2012 by Dark Ghost because: formatting
Originally posted by Just Chris
"experience of consciousness is the result of quantum gravity effects inside these microtubules" I thought microtubules were found in all cells of the human body. The sperm cell is pretty much a head with a nucleus, and a long microtubule tail. Plant cells also have microtubules. Does the quantum theory of conciousness apply to these cells as well or only cells found in the brain? How about the brain of a mouse? It's an interesting hypothesis but this news article doesn't give much. Peer review study please~"
Ryan is right in my opinion. The Quantum theory must therefore apply to all kinds of life from mice to plants.
Originally posted by ubeenhad
reply to post by Vandettas
An easy example is the computer screen your looking at.
Quick hints. Look for the word polarized.
Now check out los almos's quantum institute has to say.
And yes, thats all QM does is make predictions!
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
I can hear atheists all over the world screaming NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
From the standpoint of the popular rational materialism which dominates the nihilist phase., it may appear absurd that the philosophy of magic will arise first to complement and then surpass that of science and materialism However the most advanced scientific theories are already beginning to exhibit magical features in their new descriptions of reality. Both in particle physics and cosmogenesis a fundamental acausality, indeterminacy, and observer dependence is now ascribed to reality. These are, property speaking, magical theories, not material ones. It also appears that in biology. psychology and medicine, theories of strict causality must give ground to some form of emergent vitalism for organisms which are evidently more than the sum of their parts. This co-emergent vital principle or morphic field is equivalent to the intrinsic power or mana of magical theory.
The prevailing orthodoxy of the coming Chaoist age will represent something of a truce between magic and science; although the magical aspects may take on heavy scientific camouflage at first to make them more acceptable. Transcendental theories will virtually disappear and magical phenomena will no longer be acknowledged as proof of anything spiritual. The word “God “ will be both objectively and subjectively meaningless except to a few cliques and cranks; although towards the end of the Pandemonaeon new forms of magical transcendentalism will arise, but it would be premature to speculate on their precise manifestation. The model does not predict the nature of the characteristic post-industrial technology of the impending aeon. The decline of materialistic theories throughout the aeon does not in itself imply the loss of advanced technology. As technology becomes progressively more complex and less comprehensible there is a tendency to conceive of it and use it as though it were a magical phenomenon. Devices incorporating quantum mechanical or direct psi-interactive components may well make any distinction between magical and material systems meaningless in any case. So the impending Pandemonaeon may be characterized by an extremely complex yet rationally incomprehensible high technology. Alternatively the model will equally well accommodate a post-catastrophe technology sufficient to support a new hunter-gatherer tribalized society
resembling the first shamanic aeon when the relative strengths of the paradigms were similar. At the time of writing it is too early to speculate on the character of the second phase of the Pandemonaeon, which has been left nameless. It remains to be seen whether humanity will spend this phase out amongst the stars or squabbling over tinned food in the smoking ruins. Yet any credible form of stellar travel will have to be based on principles more akin to those currently under investigation in magic than in science. Some form of machine-enhanced teleportation might suffice, reaction-thrust vehicles plainly will not.
Dangerous times lie ahead. Millennial apocalyptic beliefs present in monotheism may still yet
trigger disaster during the death spasms of transcendentalism. A fierce rearguard action may be expected from materialist philosophies as they slide further into a nihilism whose adherents will, for a while, demand ever more of what is not working . ever more luxury and sensationalism in an ecology unable to support it.
The birth of the Pandemonaeon as a generally accepted paradigm could be a long and bloody business. If things go badly it could be preceded by a catastrophe which precipitates us into a new stone age rather than an interstellar age. Although there will be important niches for magicians in either situation, I would prefer my descendants to perform their sorceries among the stars rather than huddled in the ruins.
Originally posted by Raelsatu
Not "people are afraid of dying, period", as if consciousness/life is that simple. This is a THEORY, and one based on a reasonably sound approach -- not religious dogma.
“This - the evolution of man into superman - was always the purpose of the ancient Mysteries, and the real purpose of modern Masonry is not the social and charitable purposes to which so much attention is paid, but the expediting of the spiritual evolution of those who aspire to perfect their own nature and transform it into a more god-like quality. And this is a definite science, a royal art, which it is possible for each of us to put into practice; whilst to join the Craft for any other purpose than to study and pursue this science is to misunderstand its meaning.”
“Man who has sprung from earth and developed through the lower kingdoms of nature to his present rational state, has yet to complete his evolution by becoming a god-like being and unifying his consciousness with the Omniscient - to promote which is and always has been the sole aim and purpose of all Initiation.”
W.L Wilmhurst, "The Meaning of Masonry"
Hameroff in a recent interview:
Question: Let’s see if I’ve got the gist of your theory straight. Essentially, you’re saying that at least some basic degree of consciousness is woven into the fabric of spacetime itself, and it’s the coherent quantum activity among the microtubules in our brain that allows us to amplify or strengthen the basic universal consciousness that’s already there?
Hameroff: Yes. Or simply to gain access to it, connect to it, become one with it. ....When someone meditates or becomes enlightened, they’re moving more deeply into that quantum realm.....You move more deeply into the basic fabric of the universe and actually become more consciously a part of it....Spiritual practices allow you to dive deep and become immersed in the quantum Platonic world of spacetime geometry. You could call it God if you wanted to.
Originally posted by DocHolidaze
reply to post by Just Chris
? no one can be spot on about something like that, its a plausible theory though.
it seems to me they just arranged words to make somthing sound complicated that really isnt. we all return to the elements that formed us, and in that, the energy of who we are, and the energy we create never cease to exist. thus never completing its journey.edit on 31-10-2012 by DocHolidaze because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by DreamerOracle
S+F ... And a Star & Flag to the professors, Something I learned a while back. A State changing experience... Literally Question is how does the process of returning work (reincarnation) is it random or are we bound by Gravitons.... or a quantum signature given off by the host in some way(Round Peg, Round Hole) and then there's residual memories. Throws up a lot of questions.
Cool post I look forward to reading more from these two.
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