Originally posted by Barcs
People keep repeating that something can not come from nothing, but still refuse to explain the cause of god. Either god came from nothing, or he has
a cause. Which is it?
There is a point at the highest degree of consciousness where "everything" and "nothing" are almost synonymous. M-theory calls this the 10th dimension
(or the 11th depending on who you ask). Buddhists call this the void. No matter what you call it, it's not an easy concept for the human mind to
"Nothing" is not a concept that can actually exist in this universe, only through excluding things from the set of things we wish to define can we say
there's nothing at any location. You walk into an "empty" room, devoid of furniture, people, etc. and you say "theres nothing in this room", but when
you took inventory you excluded the air, since there's certainly air in the room and air is certainly "something". Suppose you remove the air from the
room and seal it, creating a perfect vacuum (which only exists theoretically) and say that there is nothing...but there is still the fact that the
space in the room exists; there is still "universal background information" which defines that room as a space.
In the void, everything
exists. Every imaginable universe with every possible beginning and every possible ending, cointaining every possible
action and result. This realm contains the potential for the creation of literally everything you could possibly imagine, and yet it is formless.
There is no seperation between possibilities in the void, they are all blended together in a singularity. It is impossible to define any single thing,
like say an apple, while still remaining in the void, you'd have to descend down the dimensions to our universe, our specific instance of this
universe, find the point along a 4-dimensional time line where an apple tree had evolved, then you could say "that is an apple". Everything is
nothing...try not to overheat your brain thinking about this.
You can't just argue that god is timeless or just always was. That's a cop out of extreme proportions.
If you can consider god as eternal and timeless, then why couldn't the universe be timeless as well?
It's not really a cop-out. God is not constrained to the 4th dimension as we are, "he" is way above it. From his perspective, our universe always has
and always will exist, and so does he. From our perspective, the universe had a beginning, or at least it appears to have a beginning, because we're
right in the middle of a time-line looking back.
If you can designate a guess on the unknown as transcending space and time, you first need evidence that this is possible. At this point there's no
proof that there is an "outside of space and time".
We'll never be able to gather evidence within
time and space of something outside
of time and space. Well maybe I shouldn't say never
but it seems pretty damn unlikely given the nature of the question. It's like asking a blind man to prove the existence of color. I doubt we'll ever
be able to create something in this dimension that can transcend dimensions and send back information, simply because anything created in this
dimension must obey the laws of this dimension.
However we can certainly theorize using what we know of this dimension to extrapolate the others, and this has already been done. I recommend looking
up "Imagining the 10th dimension", a series of videos on youtube, which are really good at explaining these ideas from a simplified theoretical
science point of view.
Personally I made the intuitive leap that God is the consciousness behind the 10th dimension, mainly because I think if all this information exists,
there must be a mind to store and percieve that information.
edit on 27/3/2013 by Glass because: (no reason given)