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Bill Would Reduce Welfare Benefits For Women Who Cannot Prove They Were Raped

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posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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What is the reason they are claiming? Corruption? Saving money? Increase reporting?


I don't know. The GOP is hellbent on rape and austerity for the poor.


As society should. This notion of never blaming the victim allows more people to be victims.


Nope. Doing a dumb action does not warrant rape. No one has the right to sexually assault another person. It is not the victims fault. All of the blame goes on the person that decided to enact the rape.




posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by 200Plus

I do not have the words to explain how mush this disgusts me. There should NEVER be an excuse. To allow any person a defense for commiting rape is mind rending to me. To try to even see your point causes my mind to reject the thought.


Its not an excuse.

It's reality.

Running across a mine field is never safe.

If I leave my kids to be babysat by pedo-Joe am I not putting them in harms way?

If I get black out drunk in some random neighborhood am I not putting myself in harms way?

pedo-Joe is still the attacker. Whoever happens to mug or rob me is still the attacker.

But I certainly did not use my best judgement now, did I?

Or in your world perhaps I didnt? Perhaps it's perfectly reasonable to leave my kids with pedo-Joe?



posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by 3chainz

Nope. Doing a dumb action does not warrant rape. No one has the right to sexually assault another person. It is not the victims fault. All of the blame goes on the person that decided to enact the rape.



I really want to understand this mindset so help me out here.

I get piss drunk and sit on a bench in a bad part of town. Some thug runs up and steals my gold chain.

The thug robbed me. No doubt about it. He committed a crime.

But I didnt do anything I shouldnt have done? Nothing jumps out as bad judgement?

Do you think that saying "hey ladies dont get into cars with strangers" is bad advice?

Do you think that if someone admitted they should not have gotten plastered at that house party then the rapist will just be let go and forgiven?



posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 02:41 PM
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By your logic EVERY female highschool athelete DESERVES to be raped. Those uniforms are just too tight.

By your logic EVERY woman that walks alone to her car DESERVES to be raped. She should have an escort.

How do you live with yourself man? How?



posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 02:41 PM
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You make it sound like the number of women who decide to keep and raise babies that are a product of rape or incest is a vast number, when I would think the percentage of actual rape or incest babies for one state would actually be very miniscule.

I speak as an eye witness to the fact that there ARE women who will claim to be the victim of a "stranger rape" in order to receive welfare benefits without having to name the father (usually the current boyfriend who lives with them in a lot of cases). Without the name of the father the state has no one to pursue in litigation for reimbursement of benefits. It is my belief that the number of these women actually outnumber women with legitimate claims of rape or incest. I believe it is this kind of fraudulent activity that they are trying to curtail.

Before you go accusatory on me, I have been raped- the first time not reported, the second time reported complete with ER doctor's examination. While I may agree with you that to have to produce paperwork to prove one has been raped would be embarrassing as a mother I would say to you that if you are in desperate need of help for your children you will swallow your pride and do whatever is necessary to make sure they get what they need.



posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 02:41 PM
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All this law does is encourage MORE abortions

1.Mothers who are too embarrassed to report the rape and get pregnant know that they cannot provide food for the child and will choose to abort it because of this law..

2.Mothers of rape babies do not want to prove they were rape victims to complete strangers and have to relive the event over and over again.

3. Mothers of NON rape babies know that they cannot get any further assistance so if they get pregnant they will choose to abort.



posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 02:42 PM
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When did I say anyone deserves to be assaulted? Can you point that out for me?

Is being in uniform on an athletic field an unsafe place and time?

Come on.

I have to wonder if anyone is thinking at all or just reacting on impulse.

Walking alone to your car at night is actually unsafe. For anyone. If you have to do it dont have earbuds in, keep your strong hand free, have spray or hold your keys as knuckles.

The walk to the car is where a lot of muggings, kidnappings, car jackings and even rapes occur. Situational awareness is key. As I have said.

I swear, it's like a bunch of glassy eyed bobbleheads cant see reason through emotion.

If we pretend there are no unsafe situations then we'll never take measures to be safe.
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posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere


There's nothing to relive. Once you've made your report and signed a statement you qualify under the bill.

Or does it ask you do this every year or something?


Are you familiar with the term PTSD?

I highly think not, and it isn't just something that soldiers go through.

Seriously, do you even know what triggers are?

Yes, it is something that people are reminded of over and over, and if they are lucky, the might have a few days peace in between where they aren't triggered somehow.

This is just one more trigger for rape victims to have to deal with.



posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 02:49 PM
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I'd have to assume that looking the rape baby in the eyes everyday would be a little tougher to deal with than filing a police report.

Though what do I know. I'm just woman hating cretin who wants everyone to be raped apparently.



posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

As society should. This notion of never blaming the victim allows more people to be victims.


I can admit I may be wrong. This is what really set my blood to boil. It is possible that it clouded my reading of your other posts.

+edit - I think that not having public castrations and executions of people found guilty of rape is what leads to other people being victims of rape.-edit+
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posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 02:53 PM
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Okay let me start by saying this is absolutely retarded!!! WHY the hell should a rape victim want to give birth to the child in the first place. I'm betting most won't and that this is a precursor to outlawing all and repealing all roe vs wade laws. This is atrocious. There is a problem with the system no doubt but this is absolutely the worst idea...Ever.Period.



posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
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I'd have to assume that looking the rape baby in the eyes everyday would be a little tougher to deal with than filing a police report.

Though what do I know. I'm just woman hating cretin who wants everyone to be raped apparently.


I haven't said that, but since your brought it up, that is what I am leaning towards, so good luck with that!


Sometimes it's the way you say it (I have problems with that myself at times) versus what you really mean.

Anyway, I think this is a terrible idea...nowhere does it question just a person getting pregnant by mistake being at risk for receiving benefits.



posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 02:57 PM
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This is a major problem I have with this logic. I do not see it causing an increase in abortions. I see it leading to an increase in fathers being pursued for support, or less women getting pregnant. Not all women on welfare are rape victims. But, people only use the portion of the whole that suits then. It's like a puppy: They can't bite the whole blanket, but they'll be damned if they are giving up the small part they have a hold of.



posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by Sissel

It isn't just enough to have to go through all of the above, and then have to relive it to get benefits on top of that, for a child you decide to keep?




There's nothing to relive. Once you've made your report and signed a statement you qualify under the bill.

Or does it ask you do this every year or something?

Every six months there are reviews in every state and yes all the paperwork has to be filed again every six months

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posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by 200Plus

+edit - I think that not having public castrations and executions of people found guilty of rape is what leads to other people being victims of rape.-edit+


Possibly.

I guess it depends on how much stock you put into psychology.

A good number of rapists are motivated by factors which boil down to "cant help themselves."

So while public executions or otherwise ramping up the severity and display of punishment might deter a number of opportunistic rapists and the sadistic "date rapist" types those who are truly ill and act on uncontrollable impulses will continue regardless.

As I've said, depends on how much stock you put in psychology.

Executions are good for controlling recidivism but not great for crime prevention considering crimes are either committed by the insane or by people who dont think they're going to get caught anyway.

I wonder what percentage of crimes are committed by sane people who expect to get caught?



posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by ldyserenity

Every six months there are reviews in every state and yes all the paperwork has to be filed again every six months


I wonder how much that costs to administer? Seems they could cut costs by 50% by simply making it annual.



posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
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I'd have to assume that looking the rape baby in the eyes everyday would be a little tougher to deal with than filing a police report.

Though what do I know. I'm just woman hating cretin who wants everyone to be raped apparently.
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I agree with your last statement there^



posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by ldyserenity

Every six months there are reviews in every state and yes all the paperwork has to be filed again every six months


I wonder how much that costs to administer? Seems they could cut costs by 50% by simply making it annual.


I agree and most of the people who are doing this work are lazy no good so and so's who arent' there to actually help anyone who is truly in need. They're self servicing opportunistic lazy lay abouts that get paid pretty nice for doing a whole lot of nothing (Also they're UNION) just try getting one fired! LOL.



posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 03:11 PM
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Thats a double edged sword isn't it. The problem is that alot of irresponsible young girls that do often times have access to birth control say it is rape when in fact they did not give a crap and recklessly figured they would not get pregnant. Then theirs the ones whom make a bussiness out of having babies and more babies to keep getting those welfare checks. I see it all the time around where I live. There are some girls that as soon as it gets close and the kids can enter school and they are expected to go get a life and a job get pregnant again. Their not married too these guys and the guys won't marry them. The government agencies have to track down the fathers and prove that their the fathers and then try and get support for the children all on the backs of the tax payers. Mean while they just keep producing babies. Whats wrong with having to tell the truth about it. Besides. Rape is always the excuse. Women more often than not that have been raped get abortions. People complain about the government screwing them over but don't even think twice about screwing the government and the tax payers. Two wrongs do not make a right. There is nothing wrong with having to tell the truth of it. The truthshall set you free and the taxpayers.



posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 03:12 PM
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So something else occurred to me.

If I'm a mother in need of assistance what difference does it make if that child is a child of rape or not?

Now I might have issues that require extra assistance such as therapy or medical bills but the care of that child costs the same regardless of method of conception, right?

So why is there one value for a child not born of rape and a different value for a child born of rape?



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