How to get rid of a Chemtrail from what I have done

reply to post by network dude


Look, I'm just trying to help here.

If your not going to help, then don't. Look somewhere else. Look at others who share your logic.

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger


Oh that AJ, Alex Jones. Great ranter.

As for the infrared, Don't have enough to buy one. One costs around 1500. That is way out of league of my budget.

But just out of curiosity DerepentLEstranger, have you built one? A chembuster?

reply to post by FreedomCommander


I looked it up. Then I looked up the names of the so called scientists. One is a philosopher(George Ohsawa), who died in 1963 The second (Masashiro Torii) on the list here either doesn't exist at all outside of the same results as looking up the "Carbon to Iron" or is a misspelling of a robotics expert. The third (Shizuko Washio), similarly doesn't exist. Fourth (Sanehide Komaki) does apparently exist but with no reference to what the previously linked article being true.

Considering this, I see no need to check the other names, as it so far got only the profession of the first correct. And it also does not explain anything. It has an 'experiment', but no hypothesis, no aims, no discussion of the results, no conclusion, just a sort of "here, we did this and stuff came out".

reply to post by apex


In your definition, what is a scientist?

reply to post by FreedomCommander

In your definition, what is a scientist?

I am gonna guess it is the same as everyone else's...

Definition of SCIENTIST

a person learned in science and especially natural science : a scientific investigator

www.merriam-webster.com...

So, what is your definition of a scientist?

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

It always make me laugh,
I have no idea how many times you guys have admitted,
that there are chemicals in a contrail,
but demand proof that chemtrails exist.

There there are chemicals in water, there are chemicals in your shirt - the purest air your can breathe is "chemicals".

"Chemtrails" are not just a "trail of chemicals" or every mouth and posterior in the world would be leaving them

chemtrails are, supposedly, a super secret chemical "spray" OTHER THAN normal exhaust, for some nefarious purpose.

All you do by trying to change the defintion so is make the word utterly trivial....oh - I just farted - another chemtail released...oh - I just breathed out another chemtrail.....

....and still don't actually have any evidence for the super-secret chemtrails that you and your ilk say are being sprayed by aircraft.

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I knew you could explain chemtrails to me,
we all know,
you know more about chemtrails then the rest of us,
you never let us forget,
when we open the discussion.
Have you guys ever collect samples from contrails yet.
to prove your chemtrail theory's to us?

Airplanes can act like kids with crayons,
they can scribble allover our sky's.
But same as we treat children that scribble on walls,
and it may be harmless.
It is not acceptable behavior.

I will sit back and wait for the defense's of how it is
a benefit,
as some industry scribbles all over our sky's.
Social,
Financial,
People think its pretty,
Etc.?

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes
I will sit back and wait for the defense's of how it is
a benefit,
as some industry scribbles all over our sky's.
Social,
Financial,
People think its pretty,
Etc.?

Cheap air travel.

Originally posted by Uncinus

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes
I will sit back and wait for the defense's of how it is
a benefit,
as some industry scribbles all over our sky's.
Social,
Financial,
People think its pretty,
Etc.?

Cheap air travel.

After the effects of cheap air travel,
and it was used as a weapon
every taxpayer has had to pay, how much,
for that cheap transportation, as you call it?
But we are conditioned to believe,
paying more in taxes is a benefit.
I guess your answer goes under
Social and Financial.

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes
Have you guys ever collect samples from contrails yet.
to prove your chemtrail theory's to us?

I don't have a chemtrail theory - and why would anyone take a sample from a contrail to prove a chemtrail theory??

Peole have, of course, taken samples of contrails and engine exhaust plumes to study contrails - eg see here, such sampling is also mentioned in this report (1.9mb), and on this page , in this 1,2mb report on jet engine exhaust plume composition and emissions.

and here's another study of particles in jet exhausts.

Feel free to check out google on the subject

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes
Have you guys ever collect samples from contrails yet.
to prove your chemtrail theory's to us?

I don't have a chemtrail theory - and why would anyone take a sample from a contrail to prove a chemtrail theory??

Peole have, of course, taken samples of contrails and engine exhaust plumes to study contrails - eg see here, such sampling is also mentioned in this report (1.9mb), and on this page , in this 1,2mb report on jet engine exhaust plume composition and emissions.

and here's another study of particles in jet exhausts.

Feel free to check out google on the subject

Does not look to good does it.
Could you put

2.4 Contrail Formation particle precursors

from this link into layman terms for us.

ozone-uv.defra.gov.uk...

And we are only getting to read the unclassified part,
do you have any knowledge,
of what may be in the classified part?

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes
Have you guys ever collect samples from contrails yet.
to prove your chemtrail theory's to us?

I don't have a chemtrail theory - and why would anyone take a sample from a contrail to prove a chemtrail theory??

Peole have, of course, taken samples of contrails and engine exhaust plumes to study contrails - eg see here, such sampling is also mentioned in this report (1.9mb), and on this page , in this 1,2mb report on jet engine exhaust plume composition and emissions.

and here's another study of particles in jet exhausts.

Feel free to check out google on the subject

Does not look to good does it.

It looks like peole have studied the nature of exhaust emissions from jet engines - why is that not good?

Could you put

2.4 Contrail Formation particle precursors

from this link into layman terms for us.

ozone-uv.defra.gov.uk...

In laymans terms - particles produced inside the engine are soot, much smaller amounts of metallic particles, various volatile substances such as acids, and water.

So nothing new at all.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


I have an issue with contrails being called harmless,
people calling people names because of what they consider a threat to their life
on this planet called earth.
When it comes down to this discussion I think of the dinosaurs.
Every part of that environment was harmless/natural.
But they are extinct, some natural threat killed them all.
I will never make fun of a person that feels there is some threat from his environment and deals with it his own way.
You and I could go back and forth all night about emissions.
But we both know there is nothing safe or harmless about life on this planet.
There is no safe form of travel on this planet, I just grow tired of hearing
Harmless Ice Crystals, just like cirrus clouds.

The only reason I can come up with why,
to ridicule people about what they call threats to them,
on this planet.
Is money/financial loss,
a threat,
to the course,
they have chosen to survive on this planet.

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

I have an issue with contrails being called harmless,

You keep saying that - I keep saying that no-one says that they are literally harmless - just that htey are "only" aircraft exhaust, and the fact that the exhaust is partially visible at high altitude is almost completely trivial since ther is far more of it that is INVISIBLe at lower altitudes during the climb of each of those aircraft.

This concentration on contrails is a distraction if you are anti-pollution.

people calling people names because of what they consider a threat to their life

If peole persist in thinking aircraft exhaust at 30,000 feeet is more of a threat to their life than vehicle emissions then they are not facing reality. Yes that gets you called names - the answer to that is in your own control - start facing reality.

Getting called names is nothing special - I get called names for asking people to back up their claims with evidence!

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes
The only reason I can come up with why,
to ridicule people about what they call threats to them,
on this planet.
Is money/financial loss,
a threat,
to the course,
they have chosen to survive on this planet.

simply stopping people from having no rational explaination for contrails is itself a public service that hopefully prevents a few people from suffering unnecesary anxiety.

Why would you want people to be fearful of something for which no evidence exists?

your inability to think of it in any terms othe than money is your own shortcoming, not an indictment of those of us who dont' like seeing people fooled and being led up the garden path.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


When you use the term public service,
the sarcastic side of me thinks about how dangerous
do-gooders can be.
I am going to try and go with the other side of me,
and wish you the best of luck.

When ever I play do-gooder,
it back fires on me,
not trying to insult you in anyway

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

When you use the term public service,
the sarcastic side of me thinks about how dangerous
do-gooders can be.

Indeed - think of all the people pushing the chemtrail myth who think they are doign a public service!!

When ever I play do-gooder,
it back fires on me,
not trying to insult you in anyway

there are other reasons - as an aviation professional it pisses me off that effectively I am being accused of being part of a massive worldwide crime!

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


I hear you
the op could have done this as a covert operation.
Built his devices as art, received grants from the government and a good pay check.

No one would be upset or any wiser to his motive.

I use to help a artist erect some of his sculptures,
I could not believe the government grants for his work,
40,000 here 20,000 there.