What do people think of when they think of the Vatican Library?

Personally, I think of hundreds upon hundreds of banned and suppressed works going back thousands of years. Collected from the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, the Far East, perhaps even anything saved at the Library of Alexandria etc.

Not to mention the ORIGINALS of many works.

Is this a romantic view? Or do you think it is accurate?

i dunno, but id sure like to spend a week there

I think you're probably on the right train of thought here...just the "Restriscted" area alone is larger than most public libraries. It must be a true Biblophiles "wet dream".....

there are many secrets of the world hidden under the vatican.

there is a rumor that the true history of mohamed (the prophet of islam) is hidden in there.

but nobody can access these areas exept for some jesuits and powerfull jews

I think tittilating tomes myself. I once heard that it contained the largest collection of pornography in the world.

Plus there has to be lots of heretical nonsense like the earth not being the centre of the universe.

I see the Vatican Library as a RATS for Jesuits.

I think that before I make my religious association i'd like to read some books from that library, I say we storm the Vatican.

In reality though I don't think its fair for the Vatican to hold all those books secret, sure some things could contradict they're stance on religion but then again people do that all the time.

in the Vatcian Library and underneath the "city" you would find the truth of the human race, how we became,

as well as information of E.T.'s who have visited from other worlds.....

IMO..

seriously... yes I'd love to be able to just browse through the many many many books and things... awesome !!!


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What is in the secret Vatican Archives would turn the religions and the world upside down if it ever became public knowledge I am sure. Apparently Israel is currently trying to get the Vatican to admit to holding some religious relics hauled off after Constantine's arrival. In fact, Constantine made off to Rome with just about everything he could find from all places he ruled, small wonder his council's rendition of the days of Christ is the earliest known.

Groupies:

When I think of the "Vatican's UnderGround Vault" I immediately think of Miles Cooper and his wife taking all those colour CIA-Camera photographs of that one 30 foot Dead Sea Scroll back in 1947 --- a long well preserved document that they themselves actually held in their hands--which apparently was a 2,000+ year old roll of sewed-together Essenoid goat skins containing the Aramaic and mixed Hebrew text of a copy of the Book of Daniel----but in a much LONGER version of Daniel than book is today in the so-called Bible...

Maybe it was one of those tedious but fun "Sons of Light in the Last Days" PESHER commentary (line by line explanation text) on the book of Daniel----or maybe an OLDER version of the text (heaven forfend !!) ...which moght have shall we say revealed some dangerous pre-parallels with the early Nazorean Christian Church 150 years later...30 feet is a LONG SCROLL---so long that Cooper actually ran out of film shooting it--on a roof of his office, of all places...and in a stiff wind, with pieces breaking off the edges as his wife held the edges down....!!!

(you can file that under: Things That Make Biblical Scholars REALLY Shudder)

And then..... I suddently think of where exactly all those precious negatives disappered to less than a week later (along with the actual scroll of Daniel itself) in fact JUST AFTER Mr Miles Cooper "casually mentioned" to his CIA boss in Amman that he had come across a well preserved scroll from the Bedouin...and, well the rest is say...non history.

Cooper's wife swears up and down to this day that the Scroll is in the good ol' Vatican Vault along with a dozen or more other "Dead Sea Scrolls" predating "Iesous" that will never see the light of day in our lifetimes....

One shudders to think what the Vatican is sooooooo afraid of releasing to the general public...unless it has to do with what a very drunk Pope Leo X once said...in the spirits, as it were:

"Oh, my brothers....how PROFITABLE has this MYTH OF CHRIST been for all of us !!!"



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Gools, good question!!!
I think the Vatican library would overwhelm everyone. I heard something about the pornography, too.
But, truly, I think it contains all the wisdom and knowledge that was taken from us and hidden millenia ago. All the occult knowledge denied to most of mankind. Ideas deemed too dangerouse for US to handle.

dont tread on me

I will go for that after all wasnt that region of the world very activ in the crusades and which hunts etc.

Of course the vatican holds heaps of materials from many past cultures and school of thought.. that is why the RCC has embraced so many of them.

Unfortunately, there would be nothing there that would refute what the Bible already talks about, as a matter of fact, it would just enforce it. That is why it is kept so secret, else the RCC would loose its power.

Hey DryBankRuta:

If you look closely, you'll see the socalled Menorah in the 5th century mosaic in your link DOES NOT MATCH the large golden menorah which is depicted on the Arch of TITUS in Rome (a bas relief--alas now without its original paint !--- showing the looting of the 2nd Herodian Temple (you know, the one that R. Yeshoshua bar Yosef ("Jeeezuzzzz") and his ilk claimed to have said would not 'have one stone standing upon another left'.....this despite the large chunk of the Western Retaining "Wailing" Wall which is, well...still standing stone on top of stone to this day)

The 2nd Temple Golden Menorah in the TITUS arch seems to show an Octangular Base---and was carved fairly soon after the events it relates. Notice the "Trumpets" and other details (now unhappily marred by erosion and, well...lack of its original bright colours of paint which would have added depth and detail).

One wonders if there was much of the original 2nd Herodian Temple that survives today anywhere---let alone in the Vatican Vaults.....and one can imagine warehouses full of "artifacts" there which actually derive from other, later shrines and synagogues all claiming to be part of the 2nd Temple "treasure".

The smelting down of temple treaures into other golden objects or coins was a very common occurence for thousands of years....

Since so many Jewish Temple Cult Objects seem to have been made of or contained large amounts of gold and silver (especially reading over the parts list in the Copper Scroll from Cave 3 in Qumran) many of these relics would most likely have gone the way of most such "vile cult objects" in the past---i.e. they would probably have been quickly smelted down into coins after their confiscation by the Roman (Empire) government who attached no real value to "those vile superstitions of the Judaeans..."

In other words, it would not surprise me if the Romans melted down as many objects they confiscated into coins, especially during the uncertain political times of the Jewish War in AD 66-72 which cost Rome a great deal of money and men.

By the way, the price of Gold on the world market in Syria in AD 71 fell by 62%, i.e. immediately after the 1st Jewish War, which suggests that the so-called Golden Temple Treasures were indeed smelted onto the world market....

I also remember something about pornography being mentioned. I think it is in relation to confiscated works of art considered "pornographic" by the church.

Probably very tame compared to today's standards. There must be some great works of art hidden away. Probably some unknown works by great masters.

I also agree that during the dark ages and the persecution of anything "pagan" that many works of mysticism and alchemy etc. were suppressed.

I wonder if these thisng were kept or destroyed. In the movie "Name of the Rose" (with Sean Connery) for example (fiction I know) it seemed that the Church was destroying (i.e. book burning!) many things.

i was wonderinag...since the vatican has the biggest occult library, how do they keep all those books on lock down? i bet there are tons of people wanting to get their hands on those books...like us. i'm a christian..no where near being catholic though... not t rying to offend anyone on here who is...by them being so secretive about those books you would think they would realise that it only makes people want to see them more and also by holding onto them it makes the books seem like they have a certian validity to them. which if you are a christian you dont want people thinking those things are credible. but ive heard alot of rumors that the vatican has mettled in some divination and occult activity over the years...does anyone know if that is true or has heard that same thing?

kind regards,
digitalgrl

The library of the Vatican may in fact be our modern Tree of Knowledge from which we should never eat the fruit. Who knows what all, in fact, may be there. I read of the relics from the temple mount in one of the above replies, what about the ark of the covenant? Is it there? More than just books I'm sure. Everything they would never want us to see, I'll bet.

doctorduh

[As I stated in another thread, I am not up on who is who of the Vatican thing, I "believe" the Vatican is of Catholic territory, if I am wrong someone please correct me, consder that FYI if I am using the wrong terms here]

Being the vast count of members on this site, and the many sects of religion, surely there are many Catholics as well.

How do you, Catholics, feel about your leaders keeping these secrets from their own people? (let alone the world).

Is there anything within your community of church that is trying to free these documents?

Thanx

Misfit

Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
Gools, good question!!!
I think the Vatican library would overwhelm everyone. I heard something about the pornography, too.
But, truly, I think it contains all the wisdom and knowledge that was taken from us and hidden millenia ago. All the occult knowledge denied to most of mankind. Ideas deemed too dangerouse for US to handle.

This would explain all the catholic leaders being caught involved with the "choir boy syndrome" where in sex scandals seem to run rampent with in the clergy that is begotten from the vatican city.