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Originally posted by Resurected
reply to post by Rezlooper
You know this guy was in the armed forces for almost 40 years right? If anything happened the most likely thing to go on would be lack of action and a premature retirment instead of taking away everything the man worked for over 40 years.
Had this man really went rougue, being fired would be the least of his issues to deal with.
About the Benghazi attack and that Stevens and others were in the compound
About 25 minutes after the attack started—at 4:05 p.m. Washington, D.C. time—the State Department sent an email that went to multiple recipients, including two at the White House and one at the Pentagon.
“However, neither the content nor the subject of discussions between the President and his advisors are appropriate for disclosure.”
Originally posted by MsAphrodite
reply to post by Taiyed
H ere have at it and get back to us. I've spent hours on this already. The google search alone says something is up. About 30,300,000 results (0.25 seconds)
Originally posted by primus2012
Originally posted by solarstorm
reply to post by DaTroof
Me thinks everyone higher than this General should be arrested and tried for treason.
edit on 30-10-2012 by solarstorm because: (no reason given)
Methinks on January 1, President Romney should select this general to fill the Secretary of Defense vacancy.
If General Ham chose to ignore a "stand down" order and the statement was made by the deceased ex-seal's father: "Whoever gave the order to "stand down" killed my son." and nobody takes the blame for it - not Obama, not Panetta, then I think refusing to obey this "stand down" would make Ham a hero in the eyes of John Q. Public. I can't see him being censured for it publicly. I am inclined to think he may have refused the order and resigned his position right then and there.
Now, if General Ham had made the "stand down" order on his own he would be the one that would have gotten fingered so the heat would be off Obama. Same deal with the Fleet Commander who lost his command and is being investigated for improper judgement.
Obama Met With Panetta, Biden on 9/11/12 55 Minutes After State Notified WH Benghazi Was Under Attack
By Terence P. Jeffrey
October 30, 2012
cnsnews.com...
This was a planned meeting entered on the official White House schedule - 5:00 P.M.
About the Benghazi attack and that Stevens and others were in the compound
About 25 minutes after the attack started—at 4:05 p.m. Washington, D.C. time—the State Department sent an email that went to multiple recipients, including two at the White House and one at the Pentagon.
Today (10/302012) CNSNews.com was told by a Defense Department spokesman:
“However, neither the content nor the subject of discussions between the President and his advisors are appropriate for disclosure.”
I cannot fathom that discussing this attack would not take precedent over any planned discussion. Panetta and Obama claim no involvement in the refusal to provide support for this attack. America isn't buying it.
Either Obama and Panetta were involved in the decision to "stand down" and won't admit it or these people are too incompetent to be holding the offices they have because they can't find anyone to blame. The latter is beyond belief IMHO.
Politicsedit on 10/30/2012 by sad_eyed_lady because: (no reason given)
ok, so you say but here's the question ... WHY is he being placed on rotational when he's still a quarter term out ??
Originally posted by Resurected
*shrugs* 4 pages of nothing.. All we know so far is he is going into rotational retirment. The rest of this is nothing other then pure speculation brought to us by the best of right wing blogs. Until some facts hit the page, i dont have much to be bothered with on this one.
The top U.S. military officer is denying reports that Army Gen. Carter Ham's planned departure as head of U.S. Africa Command is linked to the Sept. 11 attack in Libya.
Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey issued a written statement Monday calling speculation about the reasons for Ham's move "absolutely false."
Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced Oct. 18 that Gen. David Rodriguez is being nominated to succeed Ham. The Africa Command is responsible for U.S. military operations and relations in much of Africa.
Last week, Panetta said he, Dempsey and Ham all felt very strongly that it would have been a mistake to insert U.S. forces into Benghazi during the attack, which killed four Americans.
Dempsey said Monday that Ham's departure is part of "routine succession planning."
Read more: www.foxnews.com...
Staff report
Posted : Thursday Oct 18, 2012 16:55:21 EDT
Gen. David Rodriguez, commanding general of Army Forces Command, has been nominated to lead U.S. Africa Command, the Defense Department announced Oct. 18.
Rodriguez would succeed Gen. Carter Ham, who has commanded Africa Command since March 2011.
Ham’s next assignment has not been announced.
Africa Command, headquartered in Stuttgart, Germany, is the newest of the Defense Department’s nine unified combatant commands.
It was created in 2007 and is responsible for U.S. military relations with 54 African countries.
As commander of FORSCOM, the Army’s largest organization, Rodriguez is responsible for manning, equipping and training 265,000 active-duty soldiers, and training and readiness oversight for 560,000 reserve component soldiers.
Before FORSCOM, Rodriguez led the International Security Assistance Force Joint Command in Afghanistan. The 1976 West Point graduate also commanded in the 82nd Airborne Division, the 101st Airborne Division, and the 75th Ranger Regiment.
He has extensive combat experience, from Operation Just Cause and Desert Shield/Desert Storm, to Operation Iraqi Freedom and the war in Afghanistan.
We have the first Ambassador killed in service since 1979 along with 3 other American citizens.
While the facts may have some validity, we all have some military experience, and those with secret squirrel stories should know better than anyone, that the media will always try to turn a tragic event into some kind of conspiracy. We all know the 10% rule, and I believe that applies to this entire article. The, "Within 30 seconds/ c-130 airstrike/ f-35, f-22 missle strike" comments are what completely lost its validity with me. Someone with no CAS experience probably was overheard after the fact, asked really dumb questions about why an f-22 didn't drop a bomb, someone else was overheard explaining the concepts of CDE, and BAM! "Navy seals request for an airstrike denied!" is the headline.
? ... you guys need to read this one.
Originally posted by MsAphrodite
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
Wow, I have read so many articles and YES this is the first time I have seen this speculation. This deserves a thread of its own!
now, why would they hurry such a process when the public sale was "anti-muslim video sparks deadly attack" ??
Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by Rezlooper
Except it would make a lot more sense for them to announce his retirement within a couple of weeks of the incident, not a month and a half later. Or even to announce that he was moving to a different position, or any of a number other excuses that could be used, instead of leaving him where he is the most highly visible person in theater.
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Not just the general of Africom was fired but so was the Rear Admiral in charge of carrier strike group 3 in the Med. I called the office of the head of Senate Armed Services committee to relay my disgust that such good servicemen acting to save American lives should be commended, not fired.
We the people need to let our congressmen know how we feel about this or it will only get worse with military leaders being fired for political reasons.
perhaps arguing semantics is what the administration wants ... however, whether the term is arrested, apprehended, relived of command, fired, retired or whatever else can be conjured --> the "conspiracy of being relieved forcibly vs voluntarily" should not be the focus of discussion.
www.sodahead.com... page=5&postId=96643399#post_96643399
The information I heard today was that General [Carter] Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.
General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.
The story continues that now General Rodiguez would take General Ham’s place as the head of Africom.
Sure enough Obama nominated Gen. David Rodriguez to replace Gen. Carter Ham as commander of U.S. Africa Command.