Ex-Navy SEALs Kill 60 Terrorists In Benghazi Consulate Attack, page 8


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reply posted on 31-10-2012 @ 06:50 AM by Flavian
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They had gunships on standby in Italy. Those involved in the attack had a laser high-lighting the target for hours with repeated calls for back up. Had a desicion been made the gunship could have destroyed the "target" within an hour. Most special forces have this capability, especially so close to hostil territories. As a former marine, it makes me sick to think they were left to die. There is nothing more soul crushing then being abandoned by the thing you have been willing to die for. Americans were abandoned and so were their family and friends by a cowardly government.


I take your point about the gunships but as you yourself say, they were an hour away. Even if this can be linked back to Obama not doing anything, i would have to say that an hour would have been too long. These situations are generally very fast moving (as i am sure you are aware, given your background).


reply posted on 31-10-2012 @ 07:22 AM by butcherguy
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Even if this can be linked back to Obama not doing anything, i would have to say that an hour would have been too long. These situations are generally very fast moving (as i am sure you are aware, given your background).

The fighting lasted seven hours.

The ex-SEALS lasted at least six hours into the fight, ample time to have had aerial weapons platforms onsite.

Especially since the White House, DOD and State Dept all were aware of the fact that is was a terrorist assault almost immediately after the attack began.

This whole thing has a very fishy odor.



reply posted on 31-10-2012 @ 07:29 AM by Flavian
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Hmm, 7 hours? I find that hard to believe but i guess it is possible. Where did you get the 7 hours bit from, if you don't mind me asking? Was that for the total incident or for the time these 2 guys were trying to defend their countrymen?

I do not see how 2 guys (Special Forces or not) could hold off over 200 for over 7 hours. Aside from anything else, surely sheer numbers would have forced a breach into their safety zones way before 7 hours were up? The reason i bring that up is because (for example) at the Battle of Mirbat there were 7 SAS - this meant they could provide a huge arc of overlapping fire and cover 360 degrees (although very difficult to maintain). Surely 2 would get swamped?

Not really arguing with you, just after a bit more info if you can please?


reply posted on 31-10-2012 @ 07:55 AM by butcherguy
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As it turned out, only three February 17 Martyrs Brigade members were at the consulate, along with five U.S. security officers. Outmatched, they proved unable to stop scores of militants storming through a gate, firing grenades and using diesel fuel to set fire to the compound. Mr. Stevens sought safety in the living quarters, which became engulfed in flames. A nearby CIA base, identified by the State Department as one of its annexes, sent a rescue team of martyrs brigade members and at least one former Navy SEAL, Tyrone Woods. They collected all the staff they could find amid fires and gunshots, and returned to the annex in armored cars — minus the ambassador, whose whereabouts was unknown. Now close to midnight in Libya, the CIA officers sent urgent radio messages to headquarters in Langley asking for the military to send help, Fox News reported Friday. It said the CIA had ordered the officers not to attempt the rescue, but they went anyway. No military help was sent. An unmanned spy aircraft, whose video signal could be relayed to policymakers in Washington, buzzed overhead during part of the raid. The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee says a 50-minute recording exists, but it has not been provided to Congress. At the White House during the attack, President Obama and Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta met in the Oval Office. Seven hours later, a rescue contingent from Tripoli, with Libyan personnel, made its way from the airport to the annex, which then came under mortar fire.

Washington Times

Fox News has covered this too, along with the House hearings that have been investigating it.

From the Fox article:
They were killed by a mortar shell at 4 a.m. Libyan time, nearly seven hours after the attack on the consulate began -- a window that represented more than enough time for the U.S. military to send back-up from nearby bases in Europe, according to sources familiar with Special Operations. Four mortars were fired at the annex. The first one struck outside the annex. Three more hit the annex.

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reply posted on 31-10-2012 @ 08:03 AM by butcherguy
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I have read that they had laser designators at the annex. The annex is where they were killed by mortar fire, six hours after the fighting at the main compound. Woods and Doherty had evacuated people from the main compound and took them to the annex, where they came under fire again as the terrorists followed them there, and launched the attack using mortars.


reply posted on 31-10-2012 @ 08:12 AM by Badgered1
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Thanks for the response. Interesting that they would have laser designators since they have a very specific use. Not usually a 'defensive' tool at all, and not something you'd have laying around unless you were going to use it. So what were the CIA/PMCs planning? I'm thinking that there must have been a specific target (unrelated to the siege).
It just raises more questions.


reply posted on 31-10-2012 @ 08:16 AM by butcherguy
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* In the movie "Red Dawn" are the Wolverines terrorists? Are the Russians brave heroes? Just perspective.


If the Russians were not under a state of war with us and the Wolverines attacked a Russian consulate with automatic weapons, RPG's and mortars.... Yes, the Wolverines would be terrorists.
But that is not how the storyline of the movie went.


reply posted on 31-10-2012 @ 08:19 AM by butcherguy
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Not usually a 'defensive' tool at all, and not something you'd have laying around unless you were going to use it.
Usually not, unless you are pinned down in a firefight and need the assistance of a very accurate air strike.

My guess would be that the CIA had them for the purpose of targeting known terrorists for air strikes, like they have been doing in Afghhanistan and Pakistan.


reply posted on 31-10-2012 @ 08:56 AM by amfirst1
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And what you expect the propaganda media to report on real issues?



reply posted on 31-10-2012 @ 02:33 PM by pyramid head
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They watched the battle in the "stiuation" room for several hours, the battle itself lasted 8. This is their job, to make tough decisions in a timely manner, there is no excuse. If this was the military, people would be getting relieved of command, mabey even court marshalled. I have personally witnessed it happen. Its funny on the easy decision like osama, we get situation room photo ops, details, and quick decisions, on the politically difficult ones we get dead seals, state department members and a sh$%load of excuses. What happened seems pretty clear cut.


reply posted on 31-10-2012 @ 06:49 PM by IAMTAT
BREAKING NEWS: New Memo leaked:

EXCLUSIVE: Memo warned consulate in Libya couldn't withstand 'coordinated attack'

By Catherine Herridge Published October 31, 2012 FoxNews.com Read more:
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The U.S. Mission in Benghazi convened an “emergency meeting” less than a month before the assault that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans, because Al Qaeda had training camps in Benghazi and the consulate could not defend against a “coordinated attack,” according to a classified cable reviewed by Fox News.

Summarizing an Aug. 15 emergency meeting convened by the U.S. Mission in Benghazi, the Aug. 16 cable marked “SECRET” said that the State Department’s senior security officer, also known as the RSO, did not believe the consulate could be protected. “RSO (Regional Security Officer) expressed concerns with the ability to defend Post in the event of a coordinated attack due to limited manpower, security measures, weapons capabilities, host nation support, and the overall size of the compound,” the cable said.

According to a review of the cable addressed to the Office of the Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the Emergency Action Committee was also briefed "on the location of approximately ten Islamist militias and AQ training camps within Benghazi … these groups ran the spectrum from Islamist militias, such as the QRF Brigade and Ansar al-Sharia, to ‘Takfirist thugs.’”

Each U.S. mission has a so-called Emergency Action Committee that is responsible for security measures and emergency planning. The details in the cable seemed to foreshadow the deadly Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. compound, which was a coordinated, commando-style assault using direct and indirect fire.

Al Qaeda in North Africa and Ansar al-Sharia, both mentioned in the cable, have since been implicated in the consulate attack. In addition to describing the security situation in Benghazi as “trending negatively,” the cable said explicitly that the mission would ask for more help. “In light of the uncertain security environment, US Mission Benghazi will submit specific requests to US Embassy Tripoli for additional physical security upgrades and staffing needs by separate cover.”

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