Thanks, daskakik and Amarri for the reference to that thread! And thanks to TWhatever for a very interesting post. And thanks very much, Kashai, for a
Many posters here continue to write of personal experiences and issue statements such as “Heaven is in YOU!” or “Heaven is the absence of
you.” (Ouch!) or my favorite: “The belief in 'somewhere/somewhen else' is what keeps you from realizing heaven. Searching and seeking is what
causes the pain.” There’s also a persistent idea that one ought not to pursue this line of thinking.
I appreciate your sentiments. This is a difficult subject to express in words, and putting words to feelings is difficult in the best of times. I
also understand that some people believe it can’t be done. I believe it can, and that’s the topic of this thread. Obviously some people are either
not understanding, or they are refusing to pursue this avenue. Let me try to explain the issue with a mundane example.
I’m driving along wanting to know where Walnut Shade, Tennessee is. I know it exists because my grandfather told me so. I don’t have a GPS or even
a good map, so I stop at a gas station and ask.
“Where is Walnut Shade?”
The attendant looks at me in shock and says,
“Walnut Shade is in your heart.” A mechanic wheels out from beneath a car and says,
“Just go down to the seashore and gaze up at the night sky and you will come to know Walnut Shade!’ The owner comes out of his little shack and
“You really shouldn’t be looking for Walnut Shade. Just stop and enjoy your life.”
Talking to people like this and hearing their answers reminds me of the time, long ago, when I let a Hare Krishna devotee into my little apartment to
talk because I wanted to understand what they were all about. The guy was just like you and me, except his head was shaved and he wore saffron robes.
I began to ask him what his sect believed. His replies were like,
“Pigs eat stool, but life comes from the elephant’s nostrils.” I kept asking him questions and kept getting the same answers: “Pigs eat
stool.” He was on a money hunt, of course, so I gave him a quarter for a glossy brochure about elephants and he left. I surmised that he was
completely hypnotized. His view of Reality was so completely contrary to mine that we could not have a lucid conversation.
That’s what a lot of replies here sound like. When you say something like: “There is no 'there'. There is only 'this' what is here.” It may seem
profound to you and embody what you have come to think as Truth, but to me it sounds completely nonsensical. The words do not parse into a meaning.
They are actually worse than “Pigs eat stool,” which at least I can understand. The context is a bit weird, but it still has meaning.
Now a lot of the posts go on about love and light, peace and happiness. I’m all for it, but don’t you think these things are intrinsically good in
their own right? Why does the issue revolve around being coerced to “do good” because of negative consequences if you do not? It seems to me that
this is manipulative, like putting an electric fence around your yard so the dog gets zapped if he gets too near the perimeter. I admit that tis is
one of my worries about the whole issue. It may be a totalitarian regime up there.
Now I’m not sure whether to just leave it here and admit that this thread hasn’t gotten us very far, or to pursue it. But I do have some
1. The whole issue has something to do with vibration and frequency. The “other side” is of a higher vibration than our reality and its stuff is
made of finer material.
2. The Other Side is basically inhabiting the same physical space we are, but because of this differing vibration, we can’t see each other and
interaction is difficult. In other words, there's a Mount Rainier up there, too. And when we do stupid things, like light off hydrogen bombs, it
affects them. They don't like it, and they'll take steps to stop it from happening.
3. I’ve heard it said that The Other Side is “as close as your TV set,” which tends to bolster the first two points.
If we could learn how to freely communicate between these two realms, it would have profound implications for our world. In order to do that we must
have a theoretical foundation, and that’s what I’m interested in pursuing.
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