Canadian police urge Parliament to pass domestic spying bill

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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 01:00 PM
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If the Catholic Church, the TSA and Boy Scouts have taught us anything, it's that delinquents are naturally drawn to careers that give them access and control over other people's lives.


Agreed.




posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 01:00 PM
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Yup, all this hyperbole as well as that Amanda story is a blatant attempt to line up a kill shot on our internet rights. They are using real issues but are hyping them to absurd levels. I also think this story needs more attention because the internet is one of the only places people are, for the most part, free. When they start dropping the hammer on this, things can easily get out of hand everywhere else.

 


The irony here being that current preventative measures were used in the Amanda Todd story, police were contacted and investigated a crime (her posting pictures of herself underage, and other people reposting them) and not only did the police not resolve the issue, her story continued to get worse and she was assaulted at her school.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 01:05 PM
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I'm not arguing with you what so ever. I know they are both to blame. But the problem needs to nipped in the bud from top of the pyramid to the bottom. Stop those in power from enabling the common kiddy fiddler and what ever else by introducing laws that will protect social and moral atrocities such as pedophilia and the likes. And that is exactly what is happening right now. I might be wrong, if I am. No harm no foul. But if I'm right....



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 01:05 PM
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Ooops!! Double post.
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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by XLR8R
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I'm not arguing with you what so ever. I know they are both to blame. But the problem needs to nipped in the bud from top of the pyramid to the bottom. Stop those in power from enabling the common kiddy fiddler and what ever else by introducing laws that will protect social and moral atrocities such as pedophilia and the likes. And that is exactly what is happening right now. I might be wrong, if I am. No harm no foul. But if I'm right....


Couldn't agree more with the nipping it in the bud buddy.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 02:29 PM
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her story continued to get worse and she was assaulted at her school.


Which, although I am on the sympathizer side of the story, was given so much media attention. Rather than that of the negligence of the RCMP, not resolving the issue when the photographs first surfaced. The emphasis on the bullying side of this story is exactly what is needed to push a bill like this into place. It just seems so convenient.

Something really needs to be done about social media harassment but it shouldn't have to come from an invasive bill.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 03:39 PM
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Looks like Vic Toews lil' youth abusers in the Police are taking their revenge, now?

But really, it's sickening that cops are even allowed to push their agenda into politics! Just who the hell they think they are?

First they launch a large-scale fundraiser for supposedly "helping the children" (like they don't have enough money to pay out of their own pockets, pigs!)... now they pretend being a legit citizen group with some right to push their agenda of TOTALITARIAN CONTROL over the web.

Let's defame these pigs.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 04:06 PM
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I have posted this in many threads, and its ALWAYS unpopular, because it involves ALL OF YOU and ME.

Why is it they can get away with idea's such as the bill being discussed in this thread?
Its because the VAST majority of the electorate submit themselves, on average, to seven hours per day of sitting in front of a TV, being spoon fed the garbage needed to convince them that they NEED these new laws.
Thats the problem we ALL face, and it wont go away until we can stop that garbage being spewed out to all those fools who sit there lapping it all up.

What ALL our countries need is masses of people cancelling their TV package, and they should make it clear to their supplier they are cancelling because of the biased mind numbing BS they pump out 24/7/365.

TPTB need ALL of us to be slurping up our daily injection of BS, without it they cant controll us, it really is that simple.
If enough people were to cancel we'd very quickly see a change. However, it wont happen because most people have spent hundreds of £/$ on a screen that covers half the wall in their main living space, and that justifies why they should sit there and be fed BS.

Kill the TV and we kill TPTB, and we kill stupid laws such as that being discussed in this thread.

S&F OP



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 06:24 PM
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I completely agree when you mention how dumbed down we are from the TV and other forms of mass media to the point where many of us just don't care. I try and tell a few friends of mine about how certain things are going down and their response is "I don't care, I like my life" meanwhile they are completely lost and they have no idea. The magnitude of laws like these is so severe that I almost pity those who think it's okay for our politicians and other people who are supposed to protect us to continue as they are.

/rant



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 06:47 PM
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I give you a slow clap for your entire reply above.

This part:



What ALL our countries need is masses of people cancelling their TV package, and they should make it clear to their supplier they are cancelling because of the biased mind numbing BS they pump out 24/7/365.


For several different reasons in the past I have gone without cable or Internet for up to 4 months straight. The very first time I got rid of it, was for roughly a month, and it was strange how I went through a period of withdrawal with almost depression symptoms. (I didn't know what to do with myself) The next time I got rid of it for 4 months and I almost never noticed the difference. What does that tell us about the BS they feed us. It is addictive. It should be EASY for people to do what you said in above quote. But they can't do it.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by TheSparrowSings
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I give you a slow clap for your entire reply above.

This part:



What ALL our countries need is masses of people cancelling their TV package, and they should make it clear to their supplier they are cancelling because of the biased mind numbing BS they pump out 24/7/365.


For several different reasons in the past I have gone without cable or Internet for up to 4 months straight. The very first time I got rid of it, was for roughly a month, and it was strange how I went through a period of withdrawal with almost depression symptoms. (I didn't know what to do with myself) The next time I got rid of it for 4 months and I almost never noticed the difference. What does that tell us about the BS they feed us. It is addictive. It should be EASY for people to do what you said in above quote. But they can't do it.


Threw my TV out when my daughters grew up and left home, thats nearly 20 years ago. I do miss it, I often want to just sit in front of a TV and veg for the evening, thats why its necassary to throw the dam thing out.
It wasnt untill I threw it out that I realised what those words "I woke up" really mean.
I never cease to be amazed at just how much influence the telly has on peoples lives, for most people it's in the living room, the kitchen, and even the bedroom, and as i said above, the average is 7 hours per day in front of the TV, thats 7 hours per day where our thoughts are not our own, and the rest of the time we are asleep or at work. That just cannot be healthy!!
I agree when you say its addictive, and that quality is not by accident, they know exactly how to manipulate peoples minds. We see threads on this site about mind control, well people need look no further than their own TV to see the most powerfull mind control device ever invented.
I think it was about 1921'ish when the uk government said "Radio broadcast is such a powerfull means of mass controll that it must remain under government supervision", even back then, nearly 100 years ago, they knew what they could do with it.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 08:11 PM
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If any evidence gathered were ruled inadmissable in all court cases except those involving child pornography, I wonder if Mr. Toews would still be interested in getting the legislation passed.

Personally, I think they are willing to and do surveil anyone they want to anyway, law or no law. Crooks have contempt for the law, followed in close order by cops, lawyers, judges and legislators.

The key point about this legislation is not the surveillance, for me, it is the power to use evidence gathered without warrant, in court. If they want to go after kiddie porn, fine, but no other charges beyond those related to kiddie porn, should be allowed to be laid as a result of surveillance for kiddie porn.

I think they should need a warrant for everything, but they are playing the "kiddie porn" card to get this passed because the Canadian electorate are unsophisticated when it comes to understanding the methods of totalitarian fascism.

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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 08:37 PM
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The internet has way too many benefits and uses especially when compared to TV that it's not even funny. It's no mystery why they want to encroach on this, one of the last bastions of freedom, that we have. The internet has given everyone a more or less equal voice. But not only that, it gives us the opportunity not only to be ourselves, but to interact with others easily (as we do here), to expand our CONSCIOUSNESS, and to create culture... lots of you may hate things like memes, and viral videos, and all that, and yeah, the bandwagon mentality (thanks to lemming-inducing things such as television) spoils it sometimes, but even that could pan out sooner or later. Give it time to change; and as long as we have places we can be free, we can always find meaning in our lives.

Your mind being fed garbage and being hypnotized by the TV:


Your potential mind, made possible thanks to internet (I would have NEVER heard of people like this without it):



Leave us alone.
A policed internet and whatever comes after it (because there's no way it will stop there) is going to seriously damage our society more so than it already is, and we're trying desperately to fix it here. At least, maybe, if something like this does pass, enough of us will just drop our hats, get pissed off, and just let chaos take it's course.
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eta: again, my extreme displeasure in all this is that it won't end at internet spying without warrants. It's almost guaranteed that things could escalate to absurd levels of fascism.


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Almost feels like a setup... doesn't it.
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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 09:11 PM
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Almost feels like a setup... doesn't it.


Things just seem TOO convenient, so I know what you are saying, and this is a conspiracy site after all so it makes sense for some of us to feel this way.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by TheSparrowSings



Almost feels like a setup... doesn't it.


Things just seem TOO convenient, so I know what you are saying, and this is a conspiracy site after all so it makes sense for some of us to feel this way.
The easiest way to conquer and rule people with little or no backlash, is to convince them that they need to be conquered and ruled.

I'm over-exaggerating a bit here, but this kind of bill is just a beginning, and that's exactly why it needs to be stopped. Once we let the foot in through the door, the rest of it is going to pry it's way in fairly easily.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:14 PM
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You Canadians need to get a clue.

The Government cannot hack your home or office PC if you have the right safeguards in place. They can Only get from your ISP data which is not encrypted. You can use a VPN which is a virtual private network to route all your internet needs through. Some VPN companies offer a free system such as VPN Direct. Your ISP will see this as meaningless encrypted data. Cops going to your ISP will get Nothing. If the cops trace you to that VPN they will get nothing. VPN's are not required to keep logs or records of usage like ISP's do. You can use tools with your VPN like the Tor Browser Bundle for more added security. You can use the many free tools available for encrypting your drive such as TryeCrypt. In this example after two years the FBI could not break the encryption. www.computerworlduk.com...

They won't even look at the common Joe unless they have suspicion of a crime. They don't have the technology or the resources to trace and monitor everyone in Canada 24/7. That's just paranoia.

My point is there are many technologies out there you can use to protect yourself from prying eyes. Should you have to make use of such technologies? No. Do we Americans like having to use them? No. Did we not do enough to stop these things from happening as Jude11 says in another thread. No, we fought this stuff hard and failed because of the lobbiest of the record and movie industries paying off the government officials - coupled with the scare over internet usage of terrorists from 911.

We The People were really powerless to stop it happening. You Canadians may find this same happening to you no matter how hard you fight. But we do have options, there is a way out. You simply have to choose to use the existing free technologies in place to protect yourself.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:22 PM
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I think the point is that it goes against our Charter of Rights and Freedoms. We are handing over a tool where a warrant free search can be done on any individual. Sure, if you want to cover your tracks you can hide yourself away, but what "average joe" is going to think to do this. Then we need to define what crimes or suspicious activity they would deem acceptable to further investigate. The question is then, can we trust law enforcement personnel with this power? Most likely, yes, they would not overstep their bounds without due cause. But can I trust my government with the power of the RCMP (with their power)? I do not think so...



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:27 PM
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of course they are, the usa is not the only country that cant do its job without breaking the law to do it. oh but thats why we want to make it legal to spy, because otherwise it would be CRIMINAL. people should round up a list of people opting to bring it back, go sit infront of their houses, and point the spy equipment, sound listening devices, tape recording, infared, video recordings, and just sit on sidewalk recording the families daily activities and play it live over the internet or on youtube. then when the cop/law maker comes out to complain, we just say this is what you are signing into law, how does it feel jackass.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 11:15 PM
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harpers argument is "america gets to trample the peoples rights, why can't i ".

maybe the hockey lockout is a blessing for canada, the people might actually give a rats ass.



posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 03:02 AM
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Originally posted by Corruption Exposed

Canadian police urge Parliament to pass domestic spying bill


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Police across Canada are urging Ottawa to resurrect a controversial Internet surveillance bill that would allow them to monitor Canadians' digital activities in real-time without a warrant.

The Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police has made a plea to on the federal government to pass Bill C-30, also known as the Protecting Children from Internet Predators Act ahead of a gathering by the provincial and federal justice ministers next week.

The group is concerned that Parliament will be cldown before the legislation is passed.
(visit the link for the full news article)

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I am a Calgarian, which for all you US people....it's in Canada...and really? If you, or anyone in Canada really believes CSIS or the CIA actually gives you facts....go back under your hole and don't come out until you have real proof. I can say that CSIS molested my ass with alien organs, even put a lovely post about it and even a UTube video, and even the guy at subway who loves his pot sexually molested me. Like CSIS actually giving you proof...give me proof your daughter and son didn't rape me last night.
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