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You can't watch this video and still vote for Obama. Time to wake up folks!

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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by redtic

Originally posted by antonia
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Most of the polls point to a tie. It's dead even right now. Gallup has Romney up by 4% among likely voters. Nate Silver is the only one clinging to an outright Obama win.


As I'm sure you know, it's not about the popular vote, but the electoral college. Besides Nate Silver's numbers, who show an overwhelming lead for Obama (75% to 25%), InTrade has it at 62% vs 39% in favor of an Obama win, and RealClearPolitics has the electoral vote at 290 vs 248 in favor of Obama. Should I go on?


Obama can't govern this country now. Do you seriously think he'd be able to do better in that setup? No, he'd lose the senate with a few years if that was the case and the lame duck presidency would be all but certain.




posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by FeelingPure
? Oh ooooh wait a second, it does say England? Fancy a bum?


I see what you did there. Brilliant.

And as you're an American, I assume, and we're stereotyping whole races for comedic effect, do you fancy killing some English troops through friendly fire or invading another brown skinned country?



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by rickymouse
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Well at least we don't see nude pictures of her on the net.


To each their own, but if elderly porn is your thing then so be it



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:51 AM
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(Ive asked several times very nicely...)

????
Who did you ask very nicely? No one here, that's for sure! Your OP started out snarky and bossy, and your posts following it have been anything but "very nice." They've been dismissive, rude, and offensive.

Now, who should wake up?

I can vote for whoever I want, regardless of what propaganda video you claim is going to result in sustaining your proclamation that "I CAN'T".

Romney is a slime-bag of stupendous proportions who hasn't got a CLUE about what real Americans lives are like.

Obama has been thwarted by other slime-bags who behave like schoolyard babies and poor losers. I'm staying the course rather than opting for an unemployed, financially independent rich weasel with off-shore millions who has given American jobs to China AND is a known corporate VULTURE. Besides being a Mormon Bishop. (ANY kind of Bishop has no place in the White House. It's a flagrant conflict of interest.) Ee gads.

"People like you scare me." *facepalm*



edit on 29-10-2012 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:51 AM
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Oaky. Please answer me this then... (Ive asked several times very nicely...) What is it that you like about Obama?


Sure, no problem. I'll start with your questions and then go from there.



The NDAA? (I don't think you know what that is).


I'm not as paranoid as the NDAA as most people here, but I don't agree with it. However, Romney has the exact same position on the NDAA as Obama. So this is in the category where I don't agree with either Romney or Obama.


The Benghazi cover up? (how lovely to have a liar in office.)


If you know your facts, there is no cover up.

There was giving out of the current valid intelligence, intelligence in these situations changes rapidly. It was always stated that this was an act of terror, the video may have played a role in inticing that act of terror as it inticed multipl protests in the region, but the investigation is on-going


The bailout of wall street?


That was Bush, it seems you aren't very informed.


the car companies? (since when was the government involved in the marketplace?)


Yes, 100% back that decision by Obama.

And here is an example of Romney flip flopping. He wrote an op-ed saying he didn't support it. And now, all of a sudden, he is praising Obama's decision and saying it was exactly what he would have done.


Other things I agree with Obama on.

- Healthcare reform (although I wanted a public option or single payer)
- Pulling out of Iraq
- Increasing focus on Afganistan and killing Bin Laden
- Increase use of drones instead of more troops
- Stimulus (it did work, facts and numbers prove this)
- Pushing for increased taxes on the rich
- Pushing for the DREAM act and over all his immigration re-form stance
- Cutting back on Military spending (not defense, but military, there is a difference)


Is that enough for you?

So tell me again, why shouldn't I vote for Obama?



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:51 AM
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Wow this video makes me want to strap a dog carrier to my roof get a big Romney 2012 sign and go down to vote.

Do you think people will find it funny like Romney did?



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:53 AM
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Yeah that was a completely made up story from WND. There is no retirement home in Hawaii.

But Obamas loaded from his book sales and deals anyway.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:54 AM
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Obama is an author. His books have sold millions of copies. At least he didn't make money investing in this: www.nowpublic.com/health/mitt-romney-s-abortion-business-made-him-50m And Obama did not say you didn't build your business. He was talking about the things the country does that helps businesses to thrive such as infrastructure and an education system.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:54 AM
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Ummm...the answer is "YES".

4 years ago we were bleeding jobs by the hundreds of thousands each month, the stock market was tanking, the housing market was crashing, and the American auto industry was about to go extinct.

We are now gaining jobs each month, the stock market has re-gained all it's value, the housing market is improving, and the auto industry was saved.


The only thing that’s changed is that Obama is rigging the job’s numbers. We’re still on a sinking ship. The debt has risen from $10 trillion to $16 trillion. Talk about a bubble!!



To say we are worse off than during the worse recession in modern history is just flat out delusional.


Give it a few months….we’re on the fiscal cliff. People like you are going to cause our economy to fail. Socialism doesn’t work, bro!




And I hate to tell you this, but the national popular vote doesn't matter. Obama may win this election while losing the popular vote. When I see people using national polls at this point in the election, it tells me that they are either desperate to show their candidate in a close race (national polls will always be close) or they really don't understand how elections work.


Thanks, professor. I’m glad you informed me the polls don’t matter now that Romney is up.


The electoral votes are damn near tied….and many of the swing states favor Romney at the moment.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:55 AM
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The only time the polls don’t matter is when the polls show Romney up!


I'm not sure what you don't understand.

The national popular vote does not decide the election.

You need to look state by state, and currently Obama is up in the state by state polling.

Right now, it is looking good for Obama. I'm not declaring him the winner, it is still a very close race. And when Romney supporters or anti-Obama supporters say that this election is already over and Romney will win for sure, I just see that as complete ignorance on their part.

So I am very sorry that Romney isn't doing as well as you would like him to be in the state by state polls, but repeating the one Gallup poll that has Romney up nationally by a large margin will not change those other polls.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:56 AM
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You lot are a bunch of bleeding idiots. Like kids fighting over who's dad is hardest.
What difference will it make if Romney wins?
What difference will it make if Obama wins?
What difference will it make if I won. Not one bit. The people pulling the strings are the ones who decide. Not who sits in the chair.
Those who oppose the real decision makers would never make it in office and if they did they certainly wouldn't get far.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by khimbar

Originally posted by Taiyed

Polls and analysis say otherwise.

Current state, if the election were today, all data points to an Obama victory.



Originally posted by Taiyed

National polls are meaningless.



So which is it?



It really concerns me that people don't understand the difference between "National Polls" and state by state polls. And why at this point in the election the national poll becomes meaningless.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by Taiyed

Originally posted by khimbar

Originally posted by Taiyed

Polls and analysis say otherwise.

Current state, if the election were today, all data points to an Obama victory.



Originally posted by Taiyed

National polls are meaningless.




So which is it?



It really concerns me that people don't understand the difference between "National Polls" and state by state polls. And why at this point in the election the national poll becomes meaningless.


I'm concerned you're concerned. Maybe I can help.

I assume you know the intricacies of the UK Parliament then? The Irish one? The German one perhaps?

Given how you assume everyone, even non-Americans, should know everything about the US election system I assume you know them all?

So to recap, all polls are meaningless but some are more meaningless than others.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 11:00 AM
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There are no socialist countries. Zerooooooo......

But the countries with a more mixed economy towards liberalism have higher standards of living than the USA so....



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 11:02 AM
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The only thing that’s changed is that Obama is rigging the job’s numbers.


It's hard to have a conversation with someone who just completely makes crap up and lives in a different reality where facts don't exist.

You are so desperate that you make a baseless claim that the jobs numbers are rigged, you have no proof, you have no evidence, and yet you will make that claim because your false reality is coming crashing down around you.

Obama is bringing us out of a recession, deal with it.


Give it a few months….we’re on the fiscal cliff. People like you are going to cause our economy to fail.


The fiscal cliff is being caused by Republicans hell bent on protecting rich people from paying a little more in taxes.

If they would COMPROMISE to trade some tax increases for spending cuts, there would be no fiscal cliff at all. But instead they are holding the entire nation hostage in order to get their demands met for their rich friends.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by Taiyed.............
I agree with Obama on about 80% of the issues. I agree with Romney on about 5%. There is about 15% of the issues that I don't agree with either of them.
........

Did you watch the debates?

I've watched half of the second and most of the third.

Of what I've seen, the candidates agree on a lot of fronts.

Except:
1) Military
.... Romney wants to increase its budget and use it as a tool to show strength and preparedness
.... Obama thinks we can't afford to increase its budget
2) Economy
.... Romney wants to decrease taxes and label China as a currency manipulator
.... Obama wants to (likely) increase taxes and thinks we have to be educated to compete w/ China
3) Healthcare
.... Romney wants to cancel Obamacare and let states decide how it's handled
.... Obama ofc wants to see Obamacare reach its fulfillment
4) Entitlements
.... Romney thinks people deserve what they earn and govt. should stay out of it
.... Obama thinks everybody should have a chance and govt. should reward people who try

Other than those things (which may or may not be important to you), Romney just differs from Obama on the small point that he'd scream louder or be more assertive about it.

To be honest, I didn't get the feeling during the debate(s) that they're radically different. The reason I say this is even if they were, radically changing this country is NOT an easy task. Every single republican president has to confront the fact that there're more registered democrats in this country than registered republicans. This is a fact and if the popular vote determined elections then we'd historically have more democrat presidents. This makes me feel that republicans aren't as great of a threat as perceived and, in fact, might be a breath of fresh air to a country that's too blue.

As people, Obama primarily uses his words to make a speech. When Romney talks, I get the impression that he has more emotion invested in it. This is my own subjective call.

Occasionally, Obama has moments of lucidity. I'm not sure to call it lucidity, but I'll use that word for now. For example, during the debate they turned the topic to China. I think it was interesting that Romney brought up the currency manipulation issue and the tax issue. It made me think of his business background. But later on Obama caught my attention when he said something like "But we can't get all of the jobs back that we've lost overseas. We have to shift our role and invest more in science and engineering." I thought at the time that it was a noble thing to say and also felt practical to me. On the other hand, I have my doubt that Obama knows how to make our country competitive. Romney is the one that has the business experience, so he'd logically have hte know-how.

I take the middleground. I've voted for a republican governor. I think I'm a swinger.
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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 11:05 AM
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Given how you assume everyone, even non-Americans, should know everything about the US election system I assume you know them all?


No, I just assume people wouldn't speak about something they don't understand.

I don't know a think about UK politics or elections, hence I don't comment on them. But apparently some people speak out of the arse and comment on things they have no understanding of.


So to recap, all polls are meaningless but some are more meaningless than others.


To recap, National Polls at this stage of the election tell you nothing of the outcome of the election. Individual state polling is what needs to be looked at and analyzed because that is what will decide the electoral college results.

And when you look at the polls in individual states, Obama is currently leading in enough states to win.



Here's a tip, if you don't understand what you are talking about, maybe don't comment.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 11:09 AM
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Pretty loud for a SilentE



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 11:11 AM
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Well, this isn't really about what you said but I'm going to talk to you since you are probably the only one who will get what I am saying.

The Democratic support for Obama is really laughable as he is doing everything Bush did. He is enacting right wing economic policies. So why do they love him so much? If he had an R beside his name they would call it what it is. If there truly is anything left of the two party system then I think Romney may actually be the saving grace of the Democratic party. Why? Romney is going to fail. He can't fix these problems. Where does this lead?

People call the Democratic party left wing, this is untrue. The Democrats are only left wing in comparison to the Republicans, in contrast to other countries the Democrats are a right wing party. The Left wing died with McGovern's loss years ago. It has festered for years unrepresented. I counter that was we need is an actual left wing in this country. Until we get a real alternative we will simply get this continual gridlock and bickering.

Romney's win would force the Democrats to rethink what they are doing (if the two party system has anything left) and perhaps actually turn to the left wing instead of spitting at it like they normally do. Alternatively I would prefer to see actual third part representation. People think the protests have been bad in the last four years, just wait till Romney starts the wars.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by Taiyed

No, I just assume people wouldn't speak about something they don't understand.

I don't know a think about UK politics or elections, hence I don't comment on them.

Here's a tip, if you don't understand what you are talking about, maybe don't comment.


Ah right, see now I understand your personality totally, thank you. You don't ask questions or comment on things you don't know about and anyone that asks questions about anything they don't know about is an idiot for wanting to know about something they don't know about which you never do. And in your world only people who know what they're talking about (which I guess means agree with you) is allowed to talk or ask questions about things that they already know. Makes total sense.

One wonders how you ever learn anything. Or perhaps that question has already been answered.



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