Free Energy - Perpetual Motion Machines (pt 1)

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: TerryDon79
I know very well about ram pumps.

If you knew anything about them you would know why your claim would never work!

Um, wrong person lol

Ram pumps aren't effective at what you want. You need water above them to keep going through for them to work. You then have the water that's gone through in a bucket at the bottom. All your ram pump would do is pump the water it used to pump its own water back to the top bucket.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: operayt

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: operayt
did you even READ what I wrote. The ram pumps the water from the bottom tank to the top tank continuously.

You also said solar power runs the ram, so no solar power, it does not work

Look up Ram Pumps. Then you will understand what I said.

I know very well about ram pumps. You need the water above the pump.

you also stated earlier, as a question, what powers the ram electrically. So if you know how a ram pump works, then where does your electricity come in to play here?

originally posted by: operayt

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: operayt

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: operayt
did you even READ what I wrote. The ram pumps the water from the bottom tank to the top tank continuously.

You also said solar power runs the ram, so no solar power, it does not work

Look up Ram Pumps. Then you will understand what I said.

I know very well about ram pumps. You need the water above the pump.

you also stated earlier, as a question, what powers the ram electrically. So if you know how a ram pump works, then where does your electricity come in to play here?

I asked what power the ram. It's just not effective at all.

a reply to: operayt
What gets the water to the upper tank to drive the ram pump? If the generator is taking power from the falling water, what powers the ram? Just go to the most simple level, forget the battery. Forget the generator. Do you think the ram pump will just keep running itself?

Here's a ram pump, btw.
No water loss? It seems water loss is required for it to operate.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: operayt
Ram Pumps don't run on electricity. Look up Ram Pumps and see how they work.

They rely on a constant flow of water..

you too also said ram pumps run on electrical energy. Then later stated that they run on a constant flow of water. I state again, look and see how ram pumps pump water straight up in the air from 40 ft. Do I need to show a video?

a reply to: operayt

Do I need to show a video?

I just did. See all that "no water loss?"
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See the waste valve? That's what makes it go.

originally posted by: operayt
you too also said ram pumps run on electrical energy.

Actually, that is what YOU said! Remember this?

The car battery's are connected to a charge controller and solar panels.

Then later stated that they run on a constant flow of water.

They do, apparently you do not!

I state again, look and see how ram pumps pump water straight up in the air from 40 ft. Do I need to show a video?

Your video will also show a lot of wasted water....

a reply to: hellobruce

In the unit I presented you must read. A ram pump does let water out of valve, but in the unit I stated it has a tank to collect that water to be re-used. So the ram pump can pump water into the smaller tank above. Here is a ram pump pumping water 40 ft. above the level of water source. youtu.be...

a reply to: operayt

Here is a ram pump pumping water 40 ft. above the level of water source.

Yes. A lot of water coming down. A little going up. It works well if you have a river up above. Not so good with a tank. Not for long anyway.

A ram pump does let water out of valve, but in the unit I stated it has a tank to collect that water to be re-used.

What happens to the water in that tank? How is it lifted? Look again at the diagram.
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originally posted by: operayt
I stated it has a tank to collect that water to be re-used.

So how does that collected water get pumped back up to the top? Where does the energy for that come from?

Here is a ram pump pumping water 40 ft. above the level of water source.

Notice all the wasted water?

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: operayt
I stated it has a tank to collect that water to be re-used.

So how does that collected water get pumped back up to the top? Where does the energy for that come from?

Here is a ram pump pumping water 40 ft. above the level of water source.

Notice all the wasted water?

OK, i'll play.
What about the wasted water ?

a reply to: operayt

What about the wasted water ?

How do you get it back to the upper tank?
Cuz if you don't, that tank will get real empty.

originally posted by: operayt
What about the wasted water ?

Well, a ram pump is a open system, a lot of water goes through it, a little bit comes out the top. Your system is a closed system, which will just not work!

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: operayt

What about the wasted water ?

How do you get it back to the upper tank?
Cuz if you don't, that tank will get real empty.

OMG, I'm getting tired of explaining. The RAM PUMP , PUMPS the water from the lower tank to the upper tank.

originally posted by: operayt
OMG, I'm getting tired of explaining. The RAM PUMP , PUMPS the water from the lower tank to the upper tank.

Where does the ram pump get the energy from to do that? remember, ram pumps work because there is a lot of wasted water, they are open systems, they rely on water constantly entering, losing energy, and leaving.

a reply to: operayt

OMG, I'm getting tired of explaining. The RAM PUMP , PUMPS the water from the lower tank to the upper tank.

It can't do that. It only can pump water from the upper tank. Look at the diagram....again.
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a reply to: hellobruce

so your both saying is that a Ram Pump will NOT work on a FLAT surface, "getting water from a large lower water tank" to pump water up a lousy 5 ft.
Make a 8 ft. sq. tank by lets say 6 inches deep. filled with water and 3-4 ram pumps that pump water from the lower tank on the ground to the upper tank 6 ft. above.
Your saying the ram pumps will NOT pump water to the upper tank.

originally posted by: operayt
a reply to: hellobruce

In the unit I presented you must read. A ram pump does let water out of valve, but in the unit I stated it has a tank to collect that water to be re-used. So the ram pump can pump water into the smaller tank above. Here is a ram pump pumping water 40 ft. above the level of water source. youtu.be...

I did look at your diagram, it shows the input higher than the output , but phage, look at my video.

a reply to: operayt

Your saying the ram pumps will NOT pump water to the upper tank.

Sure it will. For a little while.

The basic idea behind a ram pump is simple. The pump uses the momentum of a relatively large amount of moving water to pump a relatively small amount of water uphill.

You can see that the one big disadvantage of a ram pump is that it wastes a lot of water. Typically, only about 10% of the water it consumes actually makes it up the delivery pipe. The rest flows out of the pump as the water builds momentum.

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