Canadian Grade Eight Social Studies: Who Is The Prophet Of Muslims?

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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 04:46 AM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
It's illegal to put Torah and Exodus, and God's Chosen People, and Mohummad into history as if this is real


Newsbreak: the Torah does exist! You may be skeptical about it, but I heard it can be found in most Jewish temples and even households. How can a simple statement of fact be "illegal"? And oh yeah, the Earth is NOT located in the center of Universe, you may want to take a note of that, too.

Likewise, your kid IS NOT being brainwashed about "Chosen People". He is informed that there are people who THINK they are "chosen", a notion that I find rather stupid myself. I think your kid is better off being informed that there are some nutcases there who think they are "chosen".




posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 04:48 AM
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Now you have a point. I agree with you on that.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 04:51 AM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
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Canadian or even BC curriculum never ever included this before. This is unheard of and downgrading of the education, taking history and blending it with myths and theocracy. I don't understand what education system everyone is getting around here, BUT I DO KNOW WHAT OUR COUNTIES EDUCATION SYSTEM WAS UP UNTIL VERY RECENTLY. This is illegal. It's illegal to put Torah and Exodus, and God's Chosen People, and Mohummad into history as if this is real. That is sickening.
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I live in BC and I went through the BC education system and I am telling you 11 years ago I was in Social Studies and one of the units in the eighth grade class was World Religions. It is not something recent at all.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 04:51 AM
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Man, I just thought of a terrific way to get the ball rolling with the Social Studies Teacher and even the school board. I'm just going to send them a copy of this thread, and make a few extra pointed comments.


But this is going to be changed back.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 04:52 AM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
you just get that warm cozy feeling and don't sweat the small stuff, like perfect spelling.


You know, when I see you write "pedafile", I conclude it's not a slight typo, which all of us make every day. You don't seem to have done enough reading. I quite agree with your outrage concerning what this word stands for, but forgive me for observing a correlation between a bizarre and almost violent reaction on your part, regarding a simple Social Studies curriculum, and lack of basic vocabulary skills.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 04:55 AM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
Man, I just thought of a terrific way to get the ball rolling with the Social Studies Teacher and even the school board. I'm just going to send them a copy of this thread, and make a few extra pointed comments.


But this is going to be changed back.


Make sure they follow the link I posted to your other thread where you discuss an ancient GODDESS. They'll LOVE that!



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 08:28 AM
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Do you oppose your children learning about the Greek and Roman Gods as well? This is part of history. What your children are learning is historical fact, they're not shoving religion down their throat, as far as I can tell from the questions.
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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 08:48 AM
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Not sure if you know this, but the "white man" was wedding off girls at the moment of their period.
Thirteen year old girls would be married to men in their early twenties, this was a big theme in the middle centuries.
This common knowledge to all right? I'm not the only one who is aware this was a part of a lot of societies.

Just saying, majority of our ancestors were probably pedophiles too, by our standards today anyway.

See here, just a blog

I think it is funny you say rumors, as if the guy is still around to catch ear of them or something.

Personally I'm not defending Islam, I'm just saying before we go and criticize people from centuries ago, lets think about what our "standards" we're back then.

Should your kids be learning this junk, probably, that way they can back themselves up in confrontations with believers.

No hate, just pointing out, ALL OF OUR ANCESTORS were perverted.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 08:50 AM
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Okay, let me say that I applaud your involvement in your child's life and studies, however, your complaint about the material is misguided.

If they were teaching that God spoke to him (or anyone else) and told him that "this" is how God wants life lived...you would have a very valid point. They are teaching beliefs that are held by people around the world.

It matters to know that stuff.

You (and even I) might prefer that the world was closed off and different cultures had very little to do with each other, but, right now at least, that simply isn't the case. If you want to work with other cultures in a productive manner you need to have some sense of the foundations of their society. If productive work should fail and you find yourself in conflict with another culture you cannot hope to win without understanding the foundations of their society.

Islam, for example, teaches that the charging of interest on a loan is a sin against God. In a global society that's pretty important to know. If they decided not to pay back the interest they would be in perfect step with their religion. If they pay interest on a loan they may blame the lender for leading them to sin. While not all Muslims strictly follow this prohibition it impacts regular dealings in a modern world. There are countless other items of equal importance about many cultures that help to explain the world that we live in. Ignorance of these facts could lead to less power in any dealings for the ignorant party. Do you want your child to have less power?

Again, I understand your concerns about religion of any sort in a school but the items your refer to aren't relgion they are facts about what people in the world believe and help to provide a basis for understanding that could prove important, not only for your child, but your country and your culture.

When I was in school and I had trouble with something we were taught conflicing with my religion my mother told me to write "In school we were taught that..." you could pass that on to your child. It not only solves the problem of getting the grade but reinforces for both the child and the school that the information is not necessarily now a part of your child's world view...it's just what they were taught in school.

Keep being involved in your child's life and nothing that they teach in school should really bother you. The discussions that you and your child have about the material take it to a whole new level of critical thinking skills.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 08:54 AM
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AH social studies.... i remember that class, As a kid that grew up in Canadian educational system, to tell you the truth, that class serves not much purpose, it used to be a half credit class which is added with career classes which is also half credit.

But, i'm pretty sure, it never went into religion too much...it usually talks about, what country has what religion most and when they started... unless you taking this too serious, i don't think its a big deal.

Muhammad probably came up when discussing Islam. Im sure Vishnu will come up during Hinduism, and etc

Its good to have general ideas of people and their belief around you, since Canada does have multiple cultures and religion.


Canadian school is more anti-religious(as in not to mix it with education) than states.
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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
My children are taught the truth, that I don't know if this mohummad existed, but if he did and any of the rumor about him are not metaphors and lies, then he's a pedafile, sorry. Truth is truth. and he is not a nice guy. Nor is the God of Is Ra El, He liked animal sacrifices and commanded slaghter of women, children, relatives and neighbors who didn't worship him probably because they were too afraid too.


And you know this because you are educated on the subject.

Do your kids not deserve the same right to form an educated informed opinion?

Or should they just take your opinion as gospel?

pun intended.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 09:14 AM
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I don't remember religion being a topic in school, especially grades 1-8. There may have been something in High School but... yeah. Pretty sure there wasn't anything on religion. Then again that was like over 20 years ago, so I guess it doesn't count.

I'm pretty indifferent to all this. Indoctrination of any kind against a child is something I can't really accept though, be it from teachers or parents. It can be cruel to tell a child to believe this and this and this and to just piss away the rest.
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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 09:29 AM
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Although I don't believe into personal Gods and equate the belief into such to childish nonsense fantasies, I really fail to see what's the problem here. What's so bad about teaching the history and ethics/stories of major religions? If anything, it will make your kids realize, that religions are just that, a relic from times when we didn't know better. I mean, I seriously doubt they're teaching Jesus zombies and such as facts..


p.s. Is Canada really a secular country? I mean, Queen Elizabeth II is your head of state, no? She's also the head of the church of England. Doesn't that mean that also Canada has an official state religion?
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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 09:29 AM
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I myself am an athiest. I am also unfamiliar with the Canadian curriculum. However, this does not seem sectarian to me at all. These are historical facts. To the Jews the Torah is the most important book and Islam did start in the 7th Century. These study notes seem to be presented objectively... I see nothing wrong with understanding history, even if it relates to religion.

I was taught the history of all three major religions and continue to read about it today, yet I have maintained my athiest beliefs.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 09:32 AM
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My question is straight to the OP:

How do you even begin to learn, discuss, and understand the political structures of some countries, without a base understanding of the religions that created their political structures?

You, sir, are helping dumb down our children...bravo.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 09:44 AM
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To defeat your enemy you must study him and know him well. Learn everything about him and you will find his weakness and see his lies.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 09:51 AM
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And this is why the next generation will still fail. A generation of children bred in ignorance and fear, raised by a generation of adults who pick and chooses their truths and their own version of history for them.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:10 AM
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The Text "Pathways, Civilizations Through Time", by Michael Cranny.
Prentice Hall Ginn Canada, Scarborough, Ontario.
(Ginn, eh?)

It's like I suspected. Its extremely Middle East friendly, and God friendly, making statements about God, and the Prophet, that he was the last prophet and I take it this is one of thos Saudi Arabia texts I have heard about. They're not fit for our educational system.

Quite an interesting section on the status of women. Going into depth and expressing some white washed view from 2 women, in depth. Unbelievable crapola. This isn't an education, its something a child would need to deprogram from. THen it goes into the critical thinking part, asking a child, What They Think:


p126.

1. According to IBN al-Hajj, the elders sai a woman could leave her home on only 3 occasions. What are they? Why are these occasions important?

2. Do you think Ibn al-Hajj accepts the opinion of the elders about the place of women in society? Why or why not?

3. IN what way do the views of the pious elders and those of Jahiz seem to contradict each ohter? In what ways are their views similar"


This a terrifying piece of propaganda.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:10 AM
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With the current events from the last decade until present, I'm inclined to let them teach the basics about this region and their countries beliefs...as long as it isn't biased. The kids learn a bit about the region and maybe can put the current events in context for them.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:16 AM
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Wow...
OP, I understand your frustration.
In a country (I'm canuck as well) where the Lord's prayer was removed, I see no reason for any religion to be taught in a social studies classroom. That being said..before you grace the school office with guns ablazing, perhaps you should inquire about what the actual curriculum is, and whether other teachers in other schools are teaching this to their students. Make the rounds and do your homework so your argument is well prepared. If you go in their now, you sound like a person intolerant of other cultures and religions and that could open a can of worms not just for you, but for your son.





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