Canadian Grade Eight Social Studies: Who Is The Prophet Of Muslims?

reply to post by The Magicians Apprentice


I think the education system just took a dark age nose dive, roughly the last year or so. I am quite frankly shocked at how these people have handed their education over to the PTB and religious bullies on a silver platter without a fight and don't think getting upset and standing up for what is right is how to tackle this slippery slope. No wonder all they do is complain online about all the excessive police brutality or this unlawful legilslation, not backed by common law or the constitution, and that one, but narry a complaint, phone call, or huge crowds showing up to confront them and stop any of it.

Well I've never stood under anyone and have spoken up when I see something wrong, just not when it will hurt someone's feelings, but the professionals, that is a different story. I've stood up to corruption before and guess I'm going to have to do it again.

And this social studies is really disgusting. Try to cement in a child's mind that these religious terms are actual history. Genesis is history? Mohummad is history? Oh I could understand teaching critical thinking and to question, and debating the existence of these things, but not giving this as answers to reinforce the meme that this is real and worthy of secular study.

Because its not. It never will be.

In fact, this is just the tip of the iceberg. While I kick up a stink tomorrow, I'm going to ask them what else they've been teaching the kids that isn't accurate, isn't proven, isnt educational, what could easily be called unlawful. Its time to scour the things he hasn't brought up.

reply to post by ollncasino


Well...i've learned that.

reply to post by randomname


I dont consider not knowing the mythology, dates, books and years for religious mumbo jumbo to mean he's not caught up. I'm waiting for the cosmic education and truth to start, and a freeing of this planet from the dark side sumar rulers.

I think teaching critical thinking and debate would be far more useful than piling this load of BS into a social stuides class as if its real history.

reply to post by Unity_99


Y'know what? Go for it.

I'll be laughing when the school system contacts DCFS about your mental instability and dangerous environment you've created for your child. That would actually be the best case scenario.

Originally posted by DaTroof
reply to post by The Magicians Apprentice

 

You're wrong.

Also, WTF??? You're against teaching about religion history, but you're FOR teaching the values of Jesus and Buddha? Did you learn what hypocrisy was in school?

I learned in school that our educational system is flawed as hell...

Values of people that preached love, equality, caring, understanding etc those are the values that should be taught. Heck.... if every 8 year old in the world was taught meditation we would rid of violence in the whole world with just 1 generation.

I am not talking forcing Buddhism onto them but teaching them to meditate in a way they would love to do it in and sharing some of the values. This is where people got the messages wrong instead of taking it as a way to understanding our capabilities. These messages were turned into religions and reasons for violence through out the ages. So.... you see where many religions are flawed and you do not have to be religious to meditate, share, love, respect, understand etc. Because just doing meditation in your own comfortable way that suits you does not make you a Buddhist.

Which is why I think you miss understood me

reply to post by DaTroof


I would like to see that scene.

reply to post by The Magicians Apprentice


I see.

However... love, caring, understanding... These are values to be instilled by the parents, not the school system.

reply to post by DaTroof


I don't actually give them any credence or qualification to question my sanity. I do question the sanity of yes sir, lets obey fasicm and theocracy, and people who don't speak up. And quite frankly, no one scares me in any way. There is nothing they can do to me or my household, and this is a very serious issue. Its going to be dealt with, starting tomorrow, and then the commmunity and the leaders. I don't care what they think of me. What I do care is that they follow the legal secular education and ensure that kids are not being taught myths as facts, religions as history, because that is sickening. Its not Canadian. Maybe you guys in the US have been a little lax for many years, but we haven't. This is quite new.

reply to post by Unity_99


Face the truth, this "problem" is not going to be dealt with, nothing is going to change and no one will hear you. And btw, I'm not in the US.

Originally posted by hououinkyouma
reply to post by The Magicians Apprentice

 

I never Talked about beating women and never defended Mohammed, I was just citing a fact there.

I know that and I was just citing that this sort of stuff happens.

Again , finding all but one poster bizarre. Keep waiting for normal, intelligent and aware people to come on. These posts are like twilight zone. I think I might get my dad to come up with ideas on how to tackle this, he's an ex teacher and really good at problem solving, breaking down steps. And this will make him turn different shades of green, being a math/science teacher, and an athiest. He used to write up the course material for the other teachers in his school, organized everyone's courses. Not sure what planet this is, did a timeline switch just happen.

reply to post by Unity_99
Western schools have a curriculum they abide by. It's a formal statement of intent and includes the subjects they will seek to teach.

A curriculum is prescriptive, and is based on a more general syllabus which merely specifies what topics must be understood and to what level to achieve a particular grade or standard. Curriculum has numerous definitions, which can be slightly confusing. In its broadest sense a curriculum may refer to all courses offered at a school.

Religious Studies/Education are taught in every school from Texas to Vancouver to Denmark. Done correctly, they seek to give students an understanding of other cultures and belief systems. They also give people an insight into their own cultures by learning about the spread of Christianity in the days of the Roman Empire or the rise of Catholicism. We can't know about Christianity without knowing about the Crusades and we can't do that without knowing about Mohamed and Muslims.

Look at this English schools link to see the general topics that fall within RE lessons. Now how can any of them be a bad thing?

reply to post by Kandinsky


Canadian or even BC curriculum never ever included this before. This is unheard of and downgrading of the education, taking history and blending it with myths and theocracy. I don't understand what education system everyone is getting around here, BUT I DO KNOW WHAT OUR COUNTIES EDUCATION SYSTEM WAS UP UNTIL VERY RECENTLY. This is illegal. It's illegal to put Torah and Exodus, and God's Chosen People, and Mohummad into history as if this is real. That is sickening.

Don't educate me on what we have for education. My father, uncle, aunt, and first cousin once removed, are/were teachers. And I have 5 boys, this is my second youngest. And this is a first.

Also, since this isn't ATS type responses, and I kind of expected more from them, I seriously have to wonder if we just hopped a timeline to a backwards land or something because these responses are looney.

Originally posted by DaTroof
reply to post by The Magicians Apprentice

 

I see.

However... love, caring, understanding... These are values to be instilled by the parents, not the school system.

Yeh most parents do not teach these things as they are too busy earning money to survive and that is why kids are taught in schools that money is more important then anything else. So all those things go straight out the window which is kinda ridiculous.

Originally posted by Unity_99
Aside the fact this is going as high as it has to, and I feel like Buffy slaying the demons, this issue is outrageous and never seen before in my life. One thing, that he is going to do,and I'm going to tell them I am enforcing is, on his exam, he will answer anything like that, with (my mother considers this to be an illegal question, not suitable for secular education)

You "consider" it to be an illegal question? Really? Why, because you have your panties in a bunch over it?

Unless I'm mistaken, and the quality of your posts lead me to believe I am not, you are not a legal expert. Making claims about what is or is not a "legal question" is foolish at best.

From what you have posted here, it sounds like your child is simply being taught facts. Islam got its start in the 7th century. Jews consider the Torah to be their holy scripture. What is wrong with your child learning facts?

If anything, the problem lies with you and not the school. The school is doing absolutely nothing inappropriate for a Social Studies class. You, on the other hand, are taking your personal vendetta against religions out on people who don't deserve it.

You can voice your concern, sure. But, cause too much of a scene and see yourself get drug out of the building in handcuffs. If you think schools don't know how to deal with unhinged, out-of-control parents like you, you are in for a rude awakening.

reply to post by The Magicians Apprentice


I agree with you in most of your points.

But the OP has absolutely no reason on his/her complain. They are not teaching religion, just how and why religion changed and changes the world.

Originally posted by Unity_99
Again , finding all but one poster bizarre. Keep waiting for normal, intelligent and aware people to come on. These posts are like twilight zone. I think I might get my dad to come up with ideas on how to tackle this, he's an ex teacher and really good at problem solving, breaking down steps. And this will make him turn different shades of green, being a math/science teacher, and an athiest. He used to write up the course material for the other teachers in his school, organized everyone's courses. Not sure what planet this is, did a timeline switch just happen.

edit on 29-10-2012 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

When one is a bastion of irrationality, the rational word seems foreign.

Originally posted by Kandinsky

Look at this English schools link to see the general topics that fall within RE lessons. Now how can any of them be a bad thing?

Well, it certainly gives a very sanitized view of Islam.

There are different levels of Jihad:

Jihad means ‘to struggle in the way of Allah’.
Greater Jihad is the way in which every Muslim makes a personal effort to follow the teachings of Allah (God) and to fight evil.
Lesser Jihad is when Muslims fight to protect their religion.

this English schools link

Yet 97% of all references to Jihad in the Koran are references to violent jihad.

Violent Jihad makes up

• 24% of the Medinan Koran
• 21% of the Hadith and
• 67% of the Sira.

Center for the Study of Political Islam

The idea of Jihad is often misunderstood by non-Muslims who then see Islam as not being a pacifist religion.

this English schools link

Yet Muhammad stated clearly that Muslims have a duty to engage in violent jihad.

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, number 25

The Koran also states clearly that Muslims should fight those who deny Islams authority until they are humbled.

Koran 9:29

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Koran

By the way, the whole Sura is Here so you can see that it hasn't been taken out of context. The above passage from the Koran means exactly what it says.

A similar quote exists in Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, number 24, which is a canonical Hadith to Sunni Muslims who make up about 85% of Muslims worldwide

Allah's Apostle said:

"I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle."

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, number 24

Islam is not a religion of peace.

That is easily demonstrated by the fact that Muhammad spread Islam by the sword.

Conquests of Muhammad and his immediate successors.

Originally posted by Unity_99
My children are taught the truth, that I don't know if this mohummad existed, but if he did and any of the rumor about him are not metaphors and lies, then he's a pedafile

You managed to misspell two words in a single sentence, and pretty severely in one case. It makes me wonder if you are qualified to form judgement regarding your (fine) Canadian school, worth of consideration.

What I see in the questionnaire is a set of basic questions regarding very basic stuff of what is basic history. How the hell are you supposed to understand what's happening in the world if you have no clue of who the Jews are, or Russians, or any nation currently in the news?

reply to post by buddhasystem


yes, Im right hemisphered with chronic fatigue. But when I was in school, my father used to get me to double check his spelling because he was not as good at english as math and told me he was somewhat dyslexic. But alas, when you have compensate for health issues, and yet are still so grateful and privileged to be able to write, with equal rights to all without those health conditions, you just get that warm cozy feeling and don't sweat the small stuff, like perfect spelling. A good trait really. Also intrinsic to equality, you know where all conditions are equalized.