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Islam vs the global banking elite

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posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 10:56 PM
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The human shields of women and children , killing innocent people with suicide bombs, the careless regard for life it's self .

You make it seem as if Christian societies are perfect.... like as if Christian countries have never shed blood. The number of people killed in wars fought by Christian countries outnumbers those killed by terrorist attacks, by an order of magnitude.



Islamist are't against the global banking elite , they are against progress beyond living in the dirt


Sadly, it is YOU who is living in the dirt and filth of secular society which sees nothing wrong with what the bible calls sinful.

Which is why YOU live in a society that allows people mock God, Jesus and the prophets, in the name of "freedom of speech".

It is YOU who live in a society that allows open homosexuality, abortion, fornication, pornography, usury etc.
You call it "progress" and "entertainment".... but the bible calls it sin.

Christianity utterly failed as a religion when it allowed secular values to take over society. Christians were the majority and in complete control....and yet let all of this happen. And now you all complain about everything that's going wrong in your societies.


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posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 11:15 PM
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"That servant who knows his master's will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows... But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.
-Luke 12:47-48


SO MUCH was given to Christian societies(North America and Europe), in terms of wealth, progress, intellect, scientific advancement etc. Much more than all of the other nations combined. But what is it getting used for? To glorify God?
And how are Christian societies faring today? You cant blame anybody but yourselves.

Islamic countries might be dirt poor and lacking in what the west has. They are often ridiculed for whats perceived as a "backwards culture". But at least they live by their religion, regardless of what you think of it.

Unlike Christian societies, Islamic societies haven't let secular values overtake Islamic values.




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posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 11:50 PM
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Do you also live in America ? Christianity is by choice and not by decree . Those who want to live like Sodomites can do so . Those who wants to follow Jesus can do so .
There is a well known Arab Islamic saying . About women and boys. So lets not get too self righteous .
The Global banking system ironically is the life's blood to the Arab world . It is the only thing that penetrates that dessert past the scorpions and camels and tents to those kings and all those AK47s tokeep them supplied .
The Bankers will always come out on top . And when the world economy is failed on purpose, you will pray that they bring it back .Then the Mark of the Beast System of the Antichrist will be instituted and you will sign on to it if you do not listen to what Jesus tells us . After all Jesus will triump as the Messiah even according to Islam .
As for the Banking Elite no one will like them but the Bilderbergers , the wannna be elite .



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 12:43 AM
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Do you also live in America ? Christianity is by choice and not by decree . Those who want to live like Sodomites can do so . Those who wants to follow Jesus can do so .
So lets not get too self righteous .


Newsflash. Being muslim is also a choice in Islamic countries. You cant force someone to believe in God.
The difference between Islamic countries and the west is this : in Islamic countries religion is in complete control, not the secularists. Those who mock God are dealt with harshly and sin is not an accepted way of life.

Also, I'm not being self righteous. I just had to respond to that bit about "living in the dirt". Christians are the ones being self righteous, thinking of themselves as holy and pious and muslims as backwards and violent.



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 12:55 AM
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I am pretty sure that the Mahdi you are looking for coming back will fade away for Jesus to be portrayed as the Messiah . This is what I have read from the information about Ahmadinejads attempt to start a world war to bring back his 12th Imam .
So go directly to Jesus if he is the Truth and the Light .



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 01:01 AM
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The Bankers will always come out on top . And when the world economy is failed on purpose, you will pray that they bring it back .Then the Mark of the Beast System of the Antichrist will be instituted and you will sign on to it if you do not listen to what Jesus tells us . After all Jesus will triump as the Messiah even according to Islam .


Muslims wont pray for the worlds unjust economic systems to be brought back... because the Koran speaks out against it.
You seem to have missed the point of the entire thread.

Muslims also have a concept of the anti-christ and will oppose him... they will not want to have anything to do with him.

The Muslims will be the ones being targeted by the beast....
. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them.
-Revelations 13:7

-It wont be christians who the beast will go after.... because Christians are concentrated in powerful nations of Europe and North America...and even Russia. The anti-christ isn't going to be making trouble for Christians in America. He doesn't need to, as Christianity has already collapsed under the secular system of North America and Europe. Instead, it will be the muslims who will be repeatedly targeted. Mainly because they, as a society, hold on to their religion...and refuse to comply with secular ethics... and the worlds corrupt global banking system.


...and the muslims will be with Jesus when he fights the beast.
14 They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.
-Revelations 17:14

-Strongly indicates that the "called, chosen and faithful followers" would be with Jesus when he fights back the anti-christs forces.

Again, it cant be the modern Christians because they don't have the concept of fighting wars for Gods cause. (They fight wars for the sake of everything else but not God.) Only the muslims have a concept of an end times "holy war". Muslims are also the only people who have fought and defeated an atheist superpower, Russia. Think of that as a preview of the anti-christs armys defeat.... a rag-tag army of muslims taking on and defeating the anti-christs powerful, state-of-the art, western backed forces.
This is how God humbles and silences the arrogant powers of the secular world.

God knows best.


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posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 01:03 AM
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I am pretty sure that the Mahdi you are looking for coming back will fade away for Jesus to be portrayed as the Messiah . This is what I have read from the information about Ahmadinejads attempt to start a world war to bring back his 12th Imam .


The Shia concept of the Mahdi is very different from what the Sunnis believe.

In fact, Sunnis suspect the Shia mahdi of being the anti-christ....mainly because the Shia version of the Mahdi would be speaking Hebrew and ruling by the Talmud.



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 02:47 AM
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I am afraid that there is some problem here . Ezekiel 38 was written 1300 years before Mohammud . The battle of Gog and Magog includes Persia and Media as they come against Israel the decendants of Issac which God made his Holy covenent with . Ezekiel 39 was written at the same time explaining that the Lord Jesus will come back and save Israel from the Destruction that the Antichrist will have in mind because of the rejection of the Antichrist as the Messiah . The Jesus of Ezekiel 39 is the Jesus that the Jews were looking for during the 1st coming to save them from Rome . They were looking for a roaring Lion to free them and that is why they rejected the teacher Jesus who spoke of loving thy neighbor and obey your rulers .
Revelations 13 verse 7 says the Beast was given power to overcome the two witnesses ( Saints) and kill them ( after they completed their testemony ) and their dead bodies laid in the streets for 3 days .Revelations 11 verses 3 thru verse 9 . These 2 will be Elijah and Enoch . God took both and they have not died but will in the streets of Jeruselam . Revelations was written 500 + years before Mohhamud .
Revelations 17 verse 14 deals with those 10 kings that I call Banksters . These are Jewish but God sees two kinds of Jews . God said Jacob I love but Essau I hate and they were twins. The Chosen people the Jews are therefor chosen for some not so glamorous jobs such as Judas was .Still Jesus himself chose Judas to betray him and the spirit of Satan entered into Judas .Then there are other Jews as Saul /Paul , and Matthew , Peter .
Those Global Elites Jesus the Lord will deal with his way.
I will agree with you that America has turned into the Great Satan in many ways . They are the biggest funder of the Antichrist's United Nations / NWO . And the Christians here will be persecuted by those same people /Globalist .Many who call them selves Christian probably aren't and certainly aren't perfect .
I believe that if you can , get a copy of the bible and actually read it .It predates the Koran as much as 2600 years . The Jew did not give the Gentile the word of God the Gospel of Jesus . God gave it to us by bypassing them . The Jew did not regard the Gentile as worthy enough to share their God with them .If they had accepted the Gospel of Christ I'm certain we would not have heard of it God gave the Gospel of Jesus to you also . He died a horrible death to offer Grace and Mercy to us all who accepts that sacrifice and follows him . Christians do not own Jesus , nor the Jews or the Muslims .



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 03:58 AM
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The Jesus of Ezekiel 39 is the Jesus that the Jews were looking for during the 1st coming to save them from Rome . They were looking for a roaring Lion to free them and that is why they rejected the teacher Jesus who spoke of loving thy neighbor and obey your rulers.


We see clearly in the new testament that the Jews wanted to kill Jesus because he spoke out against their hypocrisy.... not because they were disappointed that their messiah taught them to love the enemy.

Furthermore, they never believed he was the messiah in the first place or they would have never killed him. They saw him as an illegitimate son of Mary who 'blasphemed'.


These 2 will be Elijah and Enoch . God took both and they have not died but will in the streets of Jeruselam .


The idea that it would be Elijah and Enoch is speculation on the part of Christians.... and you are just repeating what you have heard from elsewhere. Nowhere in the bible does it mention specifically that Elijah and Enoch would reappear. (Note that Im not saying it cant be Elijah and Enoch.)

While we are on the subject of Enoch and Elijah...


"...And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him."

and

"...and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven."


We see that God has in the past, lifted people up to heaven. This is exactly what Islam means when it teaches that God lifted Jesus up and fooled the jews into thinking they killed Jesus. The Islamic concept of a man being lifted up to heaven is not some new invention, rather it is supported by other examples in the bible...i.e - Enoch and Elijah.

Much like how you believe Elijah and Enoch were taken up alive by God and would return in the future... muslims believe that Jesus also did not die, but was lifted up and will return in the future. Its the same concept.



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posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 03:58 AM
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I believe that if you can , get a copy of the bible and actually read it .It predates the Koran as much as 2600 years . The Jew did not give the Gentile the word of God the Gospel of Jesus . God gave it to us by bypassing them . The Jew did not regard the Gentile as worthy enough to share their God with them .If they had accepted the Gospel of Christ I'm certain we would not have heard of it God gave the Gospel of Jesus to you also .


I know the bible predates the Koran. That does't mean it invalidates the Koran.
The idea that "if its older, its truer" is exactly what the Jews think when they see the New Testament. They hold their Torah higher than the New Testament, and accuse Christians of manipulating OT verses to fit their purposes.

Christians also make the SAME mistake when they see the Koran. They believe the bible is true because its older than the Koran....and accuse Mohammad of manipulating the bible for his own purposes.

Also, there was a time a few years ago when I used to have Christian beliefs... not very different from what you believe. So I am pretty familiar with the bible. My background is neither Christian nor muslim. I just read the texts objectively and came to my conclusions.



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 06:57 AM
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you are on a roll brother!
I agree with u, n i am learning a lot from your posts. Keep it up.
Regarding interest banking, God has declared war against those involved in ursury.
And its not rocket science for any believer about who will win.
So its also a no brainer as to which side we should be as believers knowing that God is God.
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And i also agree with you that just believing in God is not enough. Establishing His rule and justice is required.
Any other man made system is inherently defective and not going to work as its based on greed and "self worship" believing human mind to be supreme and not God.



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 07:50 AM
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Any other man made system is inherently defective and not going to work as its based on greed and "self worship" believing human mind to be supreme and not God.


A man made system that purposely excludes God... automatically opens the door for sin to take over.

If the banking elite had a fear of God they wouldn't be doing what they are doing.



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 07:50 AM
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I believe that if you can , get a copy of the bible and actually read it .It predates the Koran as much as 2600 years . The Jew did not give the Gentile the word of God the Gospel of Jesus . God gave it to us by bypassing them . The Jew did not regard the Gentile as worthy enough to share their God with them .If they had accepted the Gospel of Christ I'm certain we would not have heard of it God gave the Gospel of Jesus to you also .

Really?? God wanted to give the Gospel of Jesus to gentiles? They why Jesus pbuh instructed his disciples-
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter you not
mathew10.5)
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Why 12 apostles for 12 jewish tribes?
.
Why he refused a gentile woman but later help her?
Mathew15:
21 Then Jesus went out from there and departed to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 And behold, a woman of Canaan came from that region and
cried out to Him, saying, “Have mercy
on me, O Lord, Son of David! My
daughter is severely demon-
possessed.” 23 But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and urged Him,
saying, “Send her away, for she cries
out after us.” 24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of
the house of Israel.”
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If anyone brought the gospel to gentiles, it was paul, naming himself as the 13th apostle, disobeying direct orders of Jesus pbuh. The other apostles let him go and preach to gentiles so that he leaves the jews alone from his revolutionary new teachings, what happens to gentiles was not their primary concern.
Paul was a christian hater, and then suddenly he was transformed by a vision, good for him if that was true.
But also the best way to destroy a God sent religion is to corrupt it from within.
It happened in islam, people entered islam just to cause divide, schism etc cause they hated the message, the fact that a non jew became a prophet etc, they were even successful to some extent.
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Could the same have happened after Jesus pbuh went? The christians been taken so far from his teaching that even Jesus wouldnt recognise his people.
Mathew 7-
21 Not every one that saith unto me,
Lord, Lord, shall enter into the
kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day,
Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in
thy name? and in thy name have cast
out devils? and in thy name done
many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I
never knew you: depart from me, ye
that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth
these sayings of mine, and doeth
them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not:
for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these
sayings of mine, and doeth them not,
shall be likened unto a foolish man,
which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and
great was the fall of it.
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posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 08:39 AM
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Those passages/verses concerning debt are very nice and everything......but what's the Islamic punishment for apostophy?


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posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by Prezbo369
Those passages/verses concerning debt are very nice and everything......but what's the Islamic punishment for apostophy?


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The apostates who rejected Islam by failing to emigrate as commanded by God are divided into three categories: 1) Those who ally themselves with a group with whom Muslims have a peace treaty; 2) Those who want to keep neutrality, committing themselves to peace with both the Muslims and their own people who had not accepted Islam; 3) Those who provide no real guarantee of peace to Muslims and by all indications ally themselves with non-believers engaged in hostilities towards Islam. The first two types of apostates are to be left in peace while the third one is to be treated like any non-believers in a state of war: they are to be seized and killed wherever they are found. Notice that the Qur`an uses the words “God has opened no way for you against them” in connection with the apostates of the first two types. This means that the Qur`an actually prohibits killing those apostates who want to live in peaceful terms with the Muslims. Thus according to the Qur`an the apostates are to be treated like other kuffar: If they want to live in peace with the Muslims, they are to be left in peace and if they assume a hostile attitude, then they are to be treated accordingly.



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 01:04 PM
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What is you point ? The Gospel was offered first to the Jew and then to the Gentile . Romans 11 verse 25 says " For I would not ,brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in ".



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 01:31 PM
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Is that why God chose Isaac to make his Holy Covenant with rejecting Ishmael . Did God's change his mind and create a covenant with Ishmael's seed latter because he made a mistake with the Jews ? No!
Mohammad was a scourge to the Arabs and his Koran was rejected and outlawed when he tried to put it forth . He had a bad reputation among his people and was hissed at in the early days but later Islam started to grow .
Islam verses Islam verses Jews . Islam verses progress , Islam verses women,Islam verses knowledge, Islam verses Christians , Islam verses tall buildings , Islam verses innocent people in restaurants or on buses or on planes . Islam does not have a problem with destroying, killing or terrorizing . If the Islamic message is so right , so holy , so beautiful why do you have to try to spread it with terror, death and destruction .
Obviously there is something wrong with your thinking
Islam is not against just the Banking Elite



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by SimonPeter
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What is you point ? The Gospel was offered first to the Jew and then to the Gentile . Romans 11 verse 25 says " For I would not ,brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in ".

you again quote me something by paul?
Obviously you dont get my point. Who is paul? Who gave him the authority to say anything? Is he the founder of christianity? Is he a messenger?
I was under the impression that christians follow christ and what he said. Did Jesus pbuh ever told to obey paul and believe everything he makes up?



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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Do you question Gods choice . I thought he was in charge . And why have you not rebutted the claims against Mohammud ?



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by SimonPeter

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Is that why God chose Isaac to make his Holy Covenant with rejecting Ishmael . Did God's change his mind and create a covenant with Ishmael's seed latter because he made a mistake with the Jews ? No!

Mohammad was a scourge to the Arabs and his Koran was rejected and outlawed when he tried to put it forth . He had a bad reputation among his people and was hissed at in the early days but later Islam started to grow .

Islam verses Islam verses Jews . Islam verses progress , Islam verses women,Islam verses knowledge, Islam verses Christians , Islam verses tall buildings , Islam verses innocent people in restaurants or on buses or on planes . Islam does not have a problem with destroying, killing or terrorizing . If the Islamic message is so right , so holy , so beautiful why do you have to try to spread it with terror, death and destruction .

Obviously there is something wrong with your thinking

Islam is not against just the Banking Elite


God's covenant never changes. Believe in Him, Obey His commands thats the covenant in short.

Ishmael was also a prophet and built the Kaabah with Abraham peace be upon them. and then Muhammad pbuh was the last prophet in Ishmael's line as promised by God.

And about Muhammad pbuh, tell me which prophet was accepted easily? All were persecuted, told as liar, hurted, even killed, so whats new??




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