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Islam vs the global banking elite

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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 01:22 AM
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A lot of discussions on conspiracy websites revolve around a certain global banking elite who enslave people to debt. These banking elites are often portrayed as the masterminds behind various conflicts and wars. According to some, they are alleged to have manipulated the course of modern history itself.

What a lot of people don't know is that Islam is the only belief system that strictly forbids the practice of lending money on interest. Islam places an emphasis on ethical business practices. In fact, Islam teaches that one of the signs of the end is an increase in usury.




"And defraud not people by reducing their things, nor do evil, making corruption and mischief in the land.
-Koran 26:183

Give full measure and weight in justice and reduce not the things that are due to the people, and do not commit mischief in the land, causing corruption.
-Koran 11:85

Those who charge usury are in the same position as those controlled by the devil's influence. This is because they claim that usury is the same as commerce. However, God permits commerce, and prohibits usury. Thus, whoever heeds this commandment from his Lord, and refrains from usury, he may keep his past earnings, and his judgment rests with God. As for those who persist in usury, they incur Hell, wherein they abide forever
-Koran 2:275

God condemns usury, and blesses charities. God dislikes every disbeliever, guilty. Those who believe and do good works and establish worship and pay the poor-due, their reward is with their Lord and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. O you who believe, you shall observe God and refrain from all kinds of usury, if you are believers. If you do not, then expect a war from God and His messenger. But if you repent, you may keep your capitals, without inflicting injustice, or incurring injustice. If the debtor is unable to pay, wait for a better time. If you give up the loan as a charity, it would be better for you, if you only knew.
- Koran 2:276-280

O you who believe, you shall not take usury, compounded over and over. Observe God, that you may succeed.
- Koran 3:130

And for practicing usury, which was forbidden, and for consuming the people's money illicitly. We have prepared for the disbelievers among them painful retribution.
-Koran 4:161

The usury that is practiced to increase some people's wealth, does not gain anything at God. But if people give to charity, seeking God's pleasure, these are the ones who receive their reward many fold.
- Koran 30:39



Islam directly warns the corrupt banking elite who defraud people and reduce the things of the people... who commit mischief and cause corruption. The banking elites who grow wealthy with their corrupt banking systems have NO excuse when they stand before God on the day of their judgement.

Islam teaches that if you didn't plant, you cannot reap. and that a man is not entitled to anything other than what he has worked for. This way, Islam covers the ethics of economic practices.

I came across this excellent video which outlines Islams stance on corrupt banking systems, which I'd like to share.


(I know its a 2 hour long video, but I strongly suggest you watch at least the forst 15 minutes. Then skip over to the 38 minute mark where he talks about how Christian Europe at one point fought the practice of usury. In fact, the medieval church had completely banned the charging of interest usury.)

In the video, the speaker describes the worlds banking elites as pimps who live off the sweat of those they take from. He likens the banking elites evil practices to a form of oppression. (Feel free to disagree or object to this statement) and states the obvious.... that in an economy based on the practice of usury, the rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer.
He also points out that even some so-called Islamic banks are corrupted because they have let usury into the system.

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Yes, there are warnings against usury even in the Bible.
But unfortunately Christian societies are run by secular irreligious powers that allow that which is forbidden by God. Christians, feel free to disagree with me on this. Evil practices such as usury, deceit banned by religion are seen as normal by the godless societies. Despite all the noise made during the 'occupy' protests, the banking elite still have their way. The rest of the world remains blissfully distracted by celebrities, movies, music, sports, pop culture and of course, the boogey man who's out to get everyone.... aka - Islam.

We are living in an age where Islam is constantly portrayed as a threat to the western civilized world...(yes, the same civilized world that allows the elites to steal from the masses and start wars for profit.)
Islam, with its dedication to God and its strict stance against usury is a threat... NOT to a world that seeks fairness and justice, but to the corrupt banking elite that work without the concept of fairness and justice.




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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 01:35 AM
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Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
What a lot of people don't know is that Islam is the only belief system that strictly forbids the practice of lending money on interest. Islam places an emphasis on ethical business practices. In fact, Islam teaches that one of the signs of the end is an increase in usury.


Christianity used to ban the lending of money for interest as well.

Jews however were not prevented from lending to Christians while charging interest, hence one major reason why Jews tend to be over represented in banking today.

By the way, there is nothing particularly ethical about not charging interest. Islamic bankers just take their charges in other ways.

High Islamic banking fees irk customers in South Africa


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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 01:37 AM
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i have read that originally usury was an affront to god in,
Islam,
Christianity,
and Judaism,

shows how corrupted the modern world really is when the most basic tenant of many religions is ignored and is the very cause of suffering in the world.

jesus (pbuh) was right to cast out the money changers,

occupy the wall and hedge all who have faith

xploder



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 01:39 AM
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The Jew and Arab is brothers . The Islamic religion was taken it would seem from the Talmud , and changed by Mohammad to separate himself from Judaism . Remember Ishmael the seed from which 12 tribes came from was not preferred by God to bring the Promised One our Lord Jesus Christ . There was enmity between the two half brothers and this I believe was evident in the creation of Islam from the precepts of Judaism .
The Key is that Isaac was Gods choice to form his Covenanant with .
The Arabs also have a name for the Antichrist who they also say is Jewish .His name is Dajjal and they know they will not be allowed to completely destroy Israel and will betrayed by the AC.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 01:41 AM
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Christianity used to ban the lending of money for interest as well.


I know. I also mentioned that the guy in the video talks about how Christian Europe used to prohibit the practise of usury. (the 38 minute mark)
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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 01:48 AM
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S&F

The way I see it, this entire war on countries that are (were) not part of the world bank is because they are still free from interest charged lending. I am totally with you on that.

Oil, terrorists, evil leaders, weapons of mass distruction are all faux reasons to get these countries under the same dark umbrella that is casting it's evil shadow over the rest of the world.

And yes, entertainment, sport, fashion etc are tools being used to keep us distracted from the real truth about ourselves and our way of life. That we are incredible beings living filthy lives.

Wish more people will lay down their weapons and get real. There is nothing good about war. Nothing at all. It is evil, fed by evil and all it does is feed evil.

The 7 social sins:
1. Politics without Principle
2. Wealth without Work
3. Knowledge without Character
4. Commerce without Morality
5. Science without Humanity
6. Worship without Sacrifice
7. Pleasure without Conscience

I think it was said by Gandhi.

In my opinion, the west promotes and practices exactly the opposite of all 7 these social sins as much as they possibly could.

Yes, I live in the west, but feel that we have lost the plot totally.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 01:59 AM
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The Jew and Arab is brothers . The Islamic religion was taken it would seem from the Talmud , and changed by Mohammad to separate himself from Judaism .

Umm... no. Islam wasn't taken from the Talmud, and I'm not even going to derail my own thread by addressing that.




There was enmity between the two half brothers and this I believe was evident in the creation of Islam from the precepts of Judaism .


There was NO enmity between Isaac and Ishmael, as taught by the fundamentalist pastors.
There was a time when a young Ishmael teased Isaac as any normal kid would do to his little brother. This petty childhood incident has been blown out of proportion by Christian fundamentalists to make it look like there was an "enmity" between Isaac and Ishmael. Pathetic.

Also Isaac and Ishmael reunited for Abrahams burial.

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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 02:05 AM
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Originally posted by UnlimitedSky

The way I see it, this entire war on countries that are (were) not part of the world bank is because they are still free from interest charged lending. I am totally with you on that.

Oil, terrorists, evil leaders, weapons of mass distruction are all faux reasons to get these countries under the same dark umbrella that is casting it's evil shadow over the rest of the world.



Perhaps you are correct. I am no fan of the current banking system.

On the other hand borrowing money to finance a business, with the lender making a return based upon risk (the interest charged) is one reason why the West became so rich.

Islamic countries on the other hand, which prevent lenders charging interest based upon risk, tend to be poor and economically backward.

The fact that a 7th century code of conduct is inadequate for 21st century business should come as no surprise to anyone, except devout Muslims.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 02:15 AM
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As a westerner who does not view Islam as a personal threat, I will say that prohibitions upon usury are supposed to be in place, according to the Bible. It has been awhile since I read the specifics, but memory seems to want to tell me that there is supposed to be a forgiving of debt once ever seven years. This is technically in line with American laws - or in theory it is.

The problem is that corrupt banks have found loopholes in these laws and now can resell your debt to a new company ( complex transaction over simplified ) and can reset that clock.

Modern people tend to forget that the reason Jews got into banking is that Europeans took the prohibitions against money so seriously, for so long, that even touching money was seen to be base and defiling. Jews, who were in the midst of the diaspora, and who were often unwelcome and marginalized abroad, became the default money handlers because of this. They did so out of necessity and a desire to have a place in society.

As for Islam? It does not take long to see that there are examples of greed and wealth hoarding to be found within that culture. One could argue that OPEC, and particularly the House of Saud engage in greed and moral usury in the pricing of petroleum. Thus the motives behind usury are not a western condition at all, but rather a universal temptation - one that ensnares humans from every culture.

It is good that any and all religions tend to have rules such as the prohibition of usury. But if the spirit behind those prohibitions is not honored, then those rules fail to have the intended effect and men will continue to rationalize and justify violating them for personal gain - regardless of faith. Even Muslims. Apostates are not a solely western of Christian phenomenon.

~Heff



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 05:50 AM
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Not the only religion. The Bible has something to say as well.

Psalms 15 A psalm of David. LORD, who may dwell in your sanctuary? Who may live on your holy hill? 2 He whose walk is blameless and who does what is righteous, who speaks the truth from his heart 3 and has no slander on his tongue, who does his neighbor no wrong and casts no slur on his fellowman, 4 who despises a vile man but honors those who fear the LORD, who keeps his oath even when it hurts, 5 who lends his money without usury and does not accept a bribe against the innocent. He who does these things will never be shaken.

Exodus 22:25-27 "If you lend money to one of my people among you who is needy [afflicted and/or humbled, through true poverty or need], do not be like a moneylender [usurer]; charge him no interest [usury]. 26 If you take your neighbor's cloak as a pledge, return it to him by sunset, 27 because his cloak is the only covering he has for his body. What else will he sleep in? When he cries out to me, I will hear, for I am compassionate.

Deuteronomy 15:7-8 If there is a poor man among your brothers in any of the towns of the land that the LORD your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted or tightfisted toward your poor brother. 8 Rather be openhanded and freely lend him whatever he needs.

Islamic countries do not charge interest. Instead, they use provisional rates based on the profitability of the company lending. They charge "Fees" instead. It's the same thing. They still make money, yet the practice is likely to be the reason for their high inflation rates.

Both Islamic religion and Hebrew religion is based on Abraham and the Torah as a root. The Christian religion and Islamic religions are both corruptions of the original intentions of the Bible. We are all fallen.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 07:39 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino
On the other hand borrowing money to finance a business, with the lender making a return based upon risk (the interest charged) is one reason why the West became so rich.

Islamic countries on the other hand, which prevent lenders charging interest based upon risk, tend to be poor and economically backward.


West becoming rich is something not to be proud of.

The western culture is responsible for much suffering in the world. If the white race did not corrupt the world, there wont be deaths by tens of thousands per day due to hunger.

Western culture is of the devil/antichrist. Everything it stands for opposes the teachings of Jesus.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 11:49 AM
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Not the only religion. The Bible has something to say as well.


Yes it does.
Which is why I stated in the OP
"Yes, there are warnings against usury even in the Bible. But unfortunately Christian societies are run by secular irreligious powers that allow that which is forbidden by God."

Christian societies seem to conform to secular values that allow for the mocking of God.
Islamic societies even to this day follow OT laws, which call for harsh punishments for mocking God.
I wonder if this has something to do with Islamic countries lack of stand up comedians, TV shows, movies, pop culture that mocks God as we see in countries with Christian populations.

Since both the bible and the Koran have laws against usury, can we agree that the God of the Koran is the same as the God of the Bible?


Islamic countries do not charge interest. Instead, they use provisional rates based on the profitability of the company lending. They charge "Fees" instead.

The Koran warns against unjust business practices.... regardless of who is doing it.
Besides I also stated that the speaker in the video in the OP criticizes so called "Islamic" banks.
If a "muslim" uses unfair business tactics, he is in trouble.


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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 03:12 PM
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Duh ! No! There was big trouble between the two brothers because Isaac was given Ishmael's birthright . That equates to big money in those days and having to serve the brother with the birthright .
Genesis 16 verse 12 gives us the very description of the Arabs today .
Also Isaac received Gods favor and Covenant . Isaac's seed became the chosen people . Ishmael received the fatness of the earth . ( OIL) .
Wouldn't you say there is enmity between the two today no matter who you fault .

Then Islam was forged 600 years after Christ . Some of the less than God inspired Talmudic principles influenced Muhammad in the writing of his Koran .



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 04:04 PM
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There was big trouble between the two brothers because Isaac was given Ishmael's birthright . That equates to big money in those days and having to serve the brother with the birthright .


There is no record in the bible about Ishmael fighting Isaac...instead the brothers reunited peacefully to bury Abraham.

Ishmael was referred to by Abraham as his "son"... moved away when he was a boy...and the bible says God was with him as he grew up.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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I gave you scripture . You have the news media today and you know about Israels plight today . The Jew is Gods chosen for His purpose's and the Arab is the so to speak enemy of the state of Israel and always has been . God did create the scenerio where by todays tensions exist.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 06:23 PM
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I agree with this secular fact, yet the law was a guardian. Faith replaces laws with THE law.



posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 01:20 AM
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I gave you scripture .

You only gave me a misinterpretation of scripture.




You have the news media today and you know about Israels plight today . The Jew is Gods chosen for His purpose's and the Arab is the so to speak enemy of the state of Israel and always has been .


Only as taught by Christian fundamentalists.
The enmity between Israel and Arab states is political in nature, but Christian fundamentalists always try and twist it into a religious matter.

Jews are allowed to worship in mosques when they cant find a synagogue, but they will never set foot into a church. Also Jews would rather eat Halal if they cant find Kosher.



posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 10:12 AM
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You are obviously Islamic . That scripture said the seed of Ishmael would be like a wild ass of a man. His hand against his brother (both the Jew and the Arab ) and their hands against him . That is true today Shiite against Sunni and against the Jew . The human shields of women and children , killing innocent people with suicide bombs, the careless regard for life it's self . Islamist are't against the global banking elite , they are against progress beyond living in the dirt and continuing the oppression of the Imam and his minions . Islamist finds power in the continued ignorance of the people . At least that is the impression that the Islamist have conveyed to the world .



posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 10:48 PM
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That scripture said the seed of Ishmael would be like a wild ass of a man. His hand against his brother (both the Jew and the Arab ) and their hands against him .


Its funny how Christians cherry pick scriptures to make Ishmael look like the enemy.

The scriptures also tell us that Ishmael is one of the few people given named directly by God.
The scriptures also tell more than once that Ishmael was blessed to become a great nation, under the orginal promise to Abraham.
The scriptures also tell us God was "with" Ishmael as he was growing up.

The evidence is pretty clear that the Ishmael also had a prophetic purpose... ultimately led to the rise of Islam through Mohammad, a descendant of Ishmael.



posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 10:51 PM
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At least that is the impression that the Islamist have conveyed to the world.

No... thats the impression propagated by anti-Islamic Christian fundamentalists.
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