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Ask an Illuminated Rosicrucian Mad Hatter anything...

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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 04:15 PM

Originally posted by sigil23
Leave me to try to teach those to teach themselves, individuals that want to learn of and reflect upon the Rosy Cross, and the SanGraal traditions that your church has sacrificed so many to suppress.

Would you mind sharing some info on the Rosy Cross? I've been seeing that name pop up ever now and again. The wiki entry says:

"the cross represents the human body and the rose represents the individual's unfolding consciousness.

I understand the symbolism, but what about it? You seem to imply that it is more than just an allegory?

posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 04:23 PM
reply to post by Rapha

I shall not deign to shatter your sense of self, by sharing the rewards of the burdens that the initiated bear. you cannot troll me into breaking my sacred vows. Leave me be. My first post was full of data to look into yourself. I cannot explain my point of view to you if you must act the Fool.

posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 04:30 PM
This is what I share next, since I must face even the most ignorant and hateful of your lot, for the sake of my honor as a Knight. I stand firm in my traditions, knowing that NO ONE is truly innocent of their shortcomings. Here is my Portal teaching, from the RR et AC archives, transmitted orally to me by my father; and meticulously fact-checked by my research and experience over the past 15+ years..

All I know, is that I do not Know. Let us go forth, into the light we came from and Act as if we are made in the image of our creator:

To be an Illuminati and live as we do, "You look for the twinkle in a person's left eye and befriend them at all costs." You cover your left eye in recognition of the hidden teaching of the twinkle.

If you read the Diamond Cutter Sutra, and the Dharma of the Fierce Guru, you will understand the role of the Asiatic Bretheren, and the "whispering society" of buddhist monks that inspired and eventually taught the Illuminati directly.

You may look into the teachings of the Hermetic Order Of The Golden Dawn for a fresh point of view on the subject. Also, just to make the truth known: Not all Illuminati are good. Not all of them have sought wisdom amongst the supposed "enemies" of the human race, as I have. Also, The Illuminati only exist as a group when they meet, otherwise they play their chosen role in society with the knowledge of the Light in the Darkness, which is the same as the twinkle in a true ally's left eye.

posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 04:36 PM
I shall now cool off and do some meditation and contemplation on the Fierce Guru Tantric Buddhist teachings, if anyone wants to join me. Here is the text, which is in the "Public Domain", that I am currently interpreting and working with:

I would hope that some of you reflect upon the rituals, initiations and symbolism in this text, and realize that the Illuminated Sages are not your adversaries. We merely preserve the teachings of the Ancients; and then interpret them into a form that will not shatter the finely tuned glass machine that human society is comparable to.

Soon, I shall be centered enough to answer the rest of your non-combative questions.

Then I shall prepare to start discussing the Chymical Wedding of Christian Rosencreutz and my opinion of it's significance in the development of occult thought and practice. I have to consider the import of my conflicting vows for a while and seek refuge in the peace of the Daoist "breath of the immortals" meditation method.
edit on 29/10/12 by sigil23 because: To state my position and plans for this thread.

posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 04:45 PM
reply to post by sigil23

Poke! You forgot/ignored me!

posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 04:51 PM
Is it me, or are there just 5 pages of gibberish? I can't figure out for the life of me what the OP is actually trying to say, let alone say. There is a very specific way in which people on this forum communicate, while it may seem "low life" or less evolved in some way, it isn't full of flowery, almost pointless prose. All I can tell so car is the OP is an illuminated one who has decided to communicate(?) with the non-illuminated ones. He's seen it all, but "it all" in description seems to come across as various versions of "if you only knew" in which I have to question the point.

If you are an enlightened one, and have indeed had interaction with the Archon(s) then what the hell is the plan? In English, what is their ages old plan? In language that isn't about "if you only knew" or "the things I've seen" what the hell, in language even the most burdened knuckle draggers here can comprehend, is the plan?

To keep on with the same evasive and rather silly answers all centering around how ignorant everyone is but those enlighten ones seems to reinforce the age old "we're just better then the slave we manage stuff." A this point it seems rather like a rouse to steal energy from those who feel that by some 100 pages of answers they'll learn something more then how much "they don't know."

I rarely, if ever suggest "hoax" but I have to suggest that if something of more substance isn't forthcoming soon that this should be put on watch. I'd also suggest that if a wild, "I am not a hoax sir" is placed in response to my post - it is a hoax as an "enlightened" one would simply address the issue, not attack the suggestion.

posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 05:00 PM
reply to post by crankyoldman

At the moment I'm missing the substance/aim of this thread?

It's like opening a library and gluing all the books to the shelf

posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 05:08 PM
reply to post by crankyoldman

I was looking for these words my self you wrote them better then i could. Still i have no idea of what the beep this thread is about. In some way i have to agree with the OP that reading the text for your self is better as you take your own wisdoms from the text. But if OP wanted us to do that the very start of this thread is flawed seeing as he stated he would answer questions. I have seen some real answer which to this point have gone unanswered. Instead OP went to meditate twice because of anger its my believe that truely enlightend people would be able to see past that and just answer. Also OP dodged some question by going out for some eggs now i wont deny anybody his or her meal but it seems weird to me thats all.

So for the sake of the thread t i'd suggest that OP starts answering some of the questions or be declaired troll in progress.

A question of my own seeing as you are able to go to the astral planes, whats the deal with these "people" i see walking around me sometimes. You know what i mean these shadowy figures white and black (it differs from time to time) that move in the corners of my eye. Can you explain this for me?
(most i can discard as moving my head to fast to a side or a certain way the light falls and picks up some fake movement but some are just clear as day.)

Peace be with you all
edit on 29-10-2012 by Donice because: added my question

posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 05:19 PM
Cautious shall be the babbler if he so wishes to turn darkness to light.

posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 05:45 PM
All I know, is that I do not Know.

That is all that is required.

posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 05:53 PM
A little hint for the readers-dont believe the preacher,all his words don't make him wise.

posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 05:55 PM
reply to post by Sinny

I did not ignore you. I am just at a loss. I guess nobody gives a damn about the oral traditions and the traditional interpretations of certain texts. Many of you have been extermely impatient and have expected me to provide information that you would likely not understand, without being initiated. Maybe I should just shut the doors of my Temple, before anyone is ready to enter it. I have my friends, and my allies. I am merely making enemies here, and alienating my community on ATS, that I have been a part of for so long. I should just listen to my brother from the bloodline of Am-Tuat, and leave the books open for you to study on your own.

My library link is in my signature. I will eventually update it to a more easily navigable form. I cannot drag you all into the truth. Truth is about your perceptions, not about me telling you how to see things. That is why I suggest to study the texts, and come to me with your hardest questions. I feel that I have already had the exchange of Ideas that I came for. Fare thee well, fellow travellers. My battered signpost will stand at this crossroads, and will wait for the Seekers with pure hearts and a fierce curiosity about the contradictory aspects of human existence and experience.

Or maybe I shall just continue to be the wizard of oz, a scapegoat and adept, who must hide behind a phantasmagoric mask and taunt the fledgeling seekers until only the true seekers of the way beyond truth remain. Let it be known that I have already reformed my order, and they are in many different positions of power and powerlessness. Most often we just nod our heads slightly, recognizing each other's presence, but scattered amongst the masses until we are ready to come forth into the light of day. We are merely the hidden hand of influence, and we all shall continue to serve you as humble monks, scholars, and librarians.

But we still have our honor. We shall continue, then; to serve in our role as your scapegoat, for your benefit.

If you look upon the Companions of the Holy Grail with such disdain; how will the Jesus Christ, the son of man and the morning star, be judged by you when he appears again? He will likely be crucified for his concern, if your treatment of me, his direct descendant, is an example of your compassion. Maybe I'll speak again in 10 years.

posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 06:05 PM
reply to post by Sinny

Well then. That is the second time that this has been said to me. The first time I did not heed your words. If I am actually misunderstanding the purpose and proper application of these teachings and cultural reference points, then may I enter your circle and learn how to manage and nurture this tradition properly?

I would prefer to put this in a better context. I am only 29, and I know that I still have a lot to learn. My father died before he could fully explain the context of the events and teachings that shaped my point of view.

My father's early death is why I am in here trying to find the Way again.

I am aware of that "All I do know is that I don't Know" is all that is required, but what should I actually do to integrate these teachings into a more fulfilling and hard-working lifestyle.

Will you please help me understand my proper role in this cultural morass, now that you have put me in my place, again?
edit on 29/10/12 by sigil23 because: added this line: My father's early death is why I am in here trying to find the Way again.

posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 06:31 PM
What you follow is not good, pure, and of the "light." You have been damaged, and no amount of "illumination" of possession of "secret" knowledge can make up for what you've been through.

I yearn to learn more about the unseen, and I do my best to discern what's good (love and light), and bad (terror and darkness).

I will ask our Creator to release you from your bond, and to put a hedge of protection around you.

Unless, of course, you are a demon. In this case, I cannot help you.

posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 06:37 PM
In you first post you mention the Hidden Hand. I wad wondering if the Hidden Hand you mentioned has anything to do with the person who claimed to be the Hidden hand in

Thank You

posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 06:39 PM
reply to post by Q33323

You may well be correct. My early life was ridiculously intense, and my father's occultism was a welcome escape. Where shall I look for guidance, then?

posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 06:42 PM
The days of darkenss are coming and the world will rise in many different ways. What do I speak of brother?

posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 06:46 PM
your thread fails

posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 06:47 PM
reply to post by ringlejames

I know not. I have had few dreams about it, but my interpretation is shaky, at best. I am even more confused now than when I posted this. I was hoping for some context, but other than you, I have just been scolded and offered no context for my experiences. I feel quite alone, since my father died.

posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 06:48 PM
Sigil. Recently a bloodline was broken for the sake of love and the culprit brought to light and consequences where forced. The un-illuminated rejoiced in the billons, while the Illuminated "cut them off from the family money" so to speak. Can you tell me. Who the culprit was, the blood line that was tainted and what that means for the fold?
edit on 29-10-2012 by ringlejames because: (no reason given)

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