Originally posted by ringlejames
Im sorry you do not understand. Good day sir. This is the last post I am going to respond to you. Lash me all you want. It will just be wasted
bandwidth. As well as a waste of your time. I am here to answer questions, my part has been fulfilled even if yours has not.
You challenge, there for you are not ready. Good day to you sir.
This issue, over whether non-human animals have the same consciousness as human animals, has always been interesting to me. Ive even looked into
Rosicrucianism and thought about joining in times past, as many, or even most of the things Ive read they believe, seem like a good match to what I
believe. However we then get to the issue of non-human animals, and it seems the from the majority to the totality of these kinds of organizations
believe that non-human is less than to human, which I cannot disagree with more. They always have their reasons, and their dogma to fall back onto
when pressed for an explanation, but to me, thats all it comes down to in the end; dogma, and a strict adherence to it.
In that vein, these organizations are no different than mainstream religions.
I do not believe that it is the non-human animal itself that acts as the function to whether it has consciousness, soul, spirit, essence, etc. I think
they all do. I think it is the human animal and its ability or lack there of to sense these things in other creatures that shapes the beliefs of these
societies and organizations, of which then these beliefs are passed on and fed to those willing to accept them without questioning.
Now what you say here ringle, about: "You challenge, there for you are not ready", makes me very dubious of all other things that you have said, of
which most of them I find fascinating, especially about Atlantis. I take an opposite philosophy to life and knowledge, summed up by the Buddha:
"Believe nothing, not even from me, unless it agrees with your own logic and reason". Questioning is perfectly valid to me, and in fact absolutely
necessary for a being to achieve independence and maturity, perhaps what we might call self-actualization. Believing with blind faith only creates a
dependent; somewhat like an artificial being, created and programmed and unquestioning in their service to the ideals that have been given to them to
uphold... a machine.
That is exactly what we need to get rid of in this world; unquestioning and blind faith. God does not wish for loyal slaves, it wishes for its
children to think for themselves and add and contribute to creation, not just to be a gear in the machine, only doing that which is has been told to
do by some external force acting upon it.
"I do not feel obliged to believe that a God that has imbued us with sense, reason, and intelligent, has intended us to forgo their use". -Galileo.
And never challenging, never questioning, does not mean one is not ready; it means one is on their way to becoming a self-actualized being, free of or
becoming free from illusionary dogmas, and ready or becoming ready to, for lack of a better term, 'ascend' to a grander state of being.
Question everything. No one can show you the way home... assist you perhaps, but ultimately the map and legend are inside of YOU, not in the
letters/words of an external dogma that someone told
you was true.
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