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Sperm donor must pay out for daughters he barely knows

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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 09:35 AM
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Here's a thought, why doesn't the ex-partner get off her (likely) fat butt and contribute that money. Get another part time job if she has to.




posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 09:37 AM
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Yet more savagery on the part of the female. They don't want a relationship with a man, but they're more than happy to use his genetics for the joy of being a mother, then milk him for money afterwards due to red tape.

F*** that. Seriously, f*** that. If I was him, I'd fight that racket with every breath in my body. If you don't want me as a person, then you ain't getting me at all. My name ain't on the certificate, and my name ain't gonna be on that check.

End of story. Blessings upon the poor man, he got the short end. Damn government.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
reply to post by Just Chris
 


Its a pound a week and yes you're right, as long as your willing to pay that there's nothing else the debt collectors can do except suck it up.



That's the one, knew it was something daft like that.

Therein lies his solution.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:12 AM
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Notice how the article did not state he donated his sperm to a sperm bank?


He must have been one horny dude to be sleeping with and donating to a lesbian couple. I sure hope he got his jolly's worth because now he is gonna pay!


I am also surprised that the couple did not try to claim this man had raped them. That would be another sh*t storm that would hit the fan for him.

I am on this guy's side. Why should he pay child support anyways? No legal name on the birth certificate? But I do think deep down inside maybe the man wants to also be the kids' father.

edit on 29-10-2012 by Skywatcher2011 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by AQuestion

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by AQuestion
 

You think life is so sacred, yet you think the gift of life is slavery!?




Besides, the man didn't give the couple a person. He gave them a cup of man juice. The chance of actual fertilization was just that, chance. Then the pre-natal care of the mother had everything to do with development of the fetus into a child and the safe and healthy birth of the (wanted) baby.


Dear windword,

You argue that life is not sacred and accuse me of thinking people matter.


I made no such assertion. You're just being deliberately obtuse and argumentative.



Oh, my. I did not say life was slavery, I said trading in humans was slavery, there is a difference. The person I responding to said that he gave the couple a child, I repeated his words, question him on what he gave them. Trading in people for money is slavery, how do you define it?


There was no trading of humans here. Please re-read my comments, and kindly address my questions.



Except for the fact that this man knew who the recipient of his sperm was, how is this man any different than any of the other 100's of 1,000 of sperm donors? Is donating sperm to barren couple wrong in your world? When the parents of an adoptive child divorces, should the state go after the birth parents? What about in vitro and surrogate mothers?


Now, if you say that an anonymous sperm donor should NOT be tracked down in the event of a child being left without support, then what makes this case different?

You don't really have to answer that, because I think I know the answer. It's because the people involved were gay, and therefore immoral from the get go. They couldn't couldn't conceive naturally and weren't able to partake in legal sperm donation, because of the law at the time, which has since been changed. But your opinion isn't based on legal fairness, it's based on religious bias and projection.

If the couple was hetero and broke up, I bet that you wouldn't require the natural father to be forced to pay, but you would support the legal, adoptive father's responsibility to pay child support, as the law requires.

The fact is, according to the article,


He said the biological mother’s former partner continues to live near the former family home and sees the girls at weekends – but is not being chased for child support.

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There is no reason to believe that this woman has abandoned these children. It is the state that refuses to acknowledge her responsibility. For all we know, this woman is contributing financially to the children's daily needs, but is unable to pay the state because of the legal road blocks. It's the law that needs to adjust.


The CSA said that if Mr Langridge had used an official sperm donation centre he would not have to pay child support – but informal arrangements are not covered by the law. Mr Langridge argues that the rules should be changed.


It seems to me that the easiest way to resolve this civilly, is in a legal agreement between the man and the other mother to reimburse, or pay by proxy, the man's monthly debt to the state.

Maybe that's what is happening.


Last night the mother of the children said: ‘It’s all being dealt with at the moment and I don’t want to comment.’



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:27 AM
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How would they benefit financially by claiming he raped them though?

This couple/women/whatever is just in it for the money, not with the child in mind!



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:41 AM
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Dear windword,



Now, if you say that an anonymous sperm donor should NOT be tracked down in the event of a child being left without support, then what makes this case different? You don't really have to answer that, because I think I know the answer. It's because the people involved were gay, and therefore immoral from the get go. They couldn't couldn't conceive naturally and weren't able to partake in legal sperm donation, because of the law at the time, which has since been changed. But your opinion isn't based on legal fairness, it's based on religious bias and projection.


Your accusations are false and silly. I preach to a mainly gay audience and am straight. I never said my opinion would change if the couple were straight, it is not relevant to me. Straight or gay, if you don't want to be responsible for having children then don't participate in having children, pretty simple. Now, if someone steals your DNA and creates a child without your consent, then you should not be responsible as it was not a volitional act on your part.

Yes donating sperm is legal and sleeping with someone is also legal, both are volitional acts. In both situations you are doing something intentional that may result in a live birth of a human being. Take responsibility for your actions. Be honest, people donate their sperm and their eggs for money and they do not wish to be responsible for the children they create. Okay, that is what it is, I believe in responsibility for volitional actions. You don't and all of your accusations and insults don't change that a bit.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:52 AM
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There is no indication that money was exchanged for this man's sperm. In fact he say's it was an act of kindness and a donation. People don't normally get paid for donations.

There is exception of course. People get paid for donating plasma and sperm, but I've never heard of anyone being paid for eggs, but it may be legal, I don't know. Certainly it's illegal to sell a kidney or an eye.

You still refuse to answer the question of anonymous sperm donors or an adopted child's birth parents being tracked down in the event a child is left unsupported. I take your silence to mean that you disapprove of the ethics and morality of anonymous sperm donation across the board. As the action leaves the donor with no responsibility after he leaves his deposit.



Regardless, your personal judgments and opinions aren't based on legal fairness, but on religious morality. I think that your silence and refusal to address the questions posed displays your double standard.



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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 11:10 AM
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the concept of sperm 'donation' is sick IMO.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by ollncasino
 


Dear ollncasino,

So basically he wanted to have kids, have other people bring them up and not take any responsibility or even know them, nothing new there. Get women pregnant and leave. How is that a generous action, how is donating sperm to strangers generous, how much was he paid for getting women pregnant? Lets consider all sides of the issue.


Wow, what a well thought out troll reply. I hope you get all of the responses and attention you seek.

9/10
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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by ollncasino
 


Yet more savagery on the part of the female.


Lawl, You make it sound intentional - Its the government that's going after his ass, not the mother.



They don't want a relationship with a man


Being homosexual isnt a choice, just like being straight isnt a choice, something's just are. Get over it!


but they're more than happy to use his genetics for the joy of being a mother,



And men are more than happy to use the female sex for their own pleasure, which is more depraving?


then milk him for money afterwards due to red tape.


As ive said, its the state going after him. He should have taken a legal route, this is what happens when you dont. Poor sod has made poor choices and is now paying for them - I sympathise.


F*** that. Seriously, f*** that.


Irony to suggest f**king something in this situation.


If I was him, I'd fight that racket with every breath in my body.


He should definitely tell the government were to go


If you don't want me as a person, then you ain't getting me at all.


Which will probably be for the better considering she's a lesbian.



My name ain't on the certificate, and my name ain't gonna be on that check.


And if the gentleman had taken a legal route, the state wouldn't be chasing his ass for payment.


End of story.


Because you're the only person who can put the world to rights



Blessings upon the poor man, he got the short end. Damn government.


Oh so you do know its the government and not the mother chasing him for child support!?



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by Just Chris

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
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Its a pound a week and yes you're right, as long as your willing to pay that there's nothing else the debt collectors can do except suck it up.



That's the one, knew it was something daft like that.

Therein lies his solution.


He could probably pay any "amount owed" with a pound a week, but then they'd expect him to start paying full whack child support from that day on - which is obviously wrong as he was unofficially a sperm donor. Feel sorry for the guy, shame the state wont just fork out in this case. However, if your a lrage multinational company making millions in profits via trading the uk - Feel free to have your tax bill wavered
(Im looking at you Apple, Vodaphone, Boots)



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by ollncasino
 


Dear ollncasino,

So basically he wanted to have kids, have other people bring them up and not take any responsibility or even know them, nothing new there. Get women pregnant and leave. How is that a generous action, how is donating sperm to strangers generous, how much was he paid for getting women pregnant? Lets consider all sides of the issue.


Ooooh your all kinds of #ed up here.

He did NOT want to have children. A Lesbian couple wanted too, but due to biology they could not. So this guy, being a dear friend, did them a favor so that THE LESBIAN COUPLE could have kids to love and raise. The guy simply donated the sperm, not the role of being a father as AGREED upon by all sides.

Now the one lesbian bailed out, and the guy has to pay for it.

If your think thats fair, your probably a woman and/or, as stated before. All kinds of #ed up.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 02:49 PM
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they claim to be a male for what its worth my theory from a psychological stand point was that his hatred comes from either stigma and anger about having to raise his step child whos biological father didnt wanna help out(he denied these claims) or something further back possibly his own raising had problems in it but the general conclusion is that they aren't trying to answer questions and generally tries to spin what other members have to say and that they arent interested in a spirited and or rational discussion.

more on topic en.wikipedia.org... this talks about the laws on sperm donation in the uk and evidently they are having a shortage so im pretty sure the girls would not have been able to get sperm if not from him as they are currently importing sperm from Scandinavia

also further down the list it talks about the contraversies involved in the process



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 03:44 PM
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WOW! This thread has opened my eyes Ive seen the light! From now on anything that might have previously been donated will go directly to the landfill. I dont want some homeless person aquiring my shirt and committing murder. By the logic on this thread I could be held responsible.

To: Random poster who shall remain nameless,
The cats need feeding and you are 3 days overdue on your meds. Please attend to these things and sleep. Come back tomorrow without your man hating\bible thumping\ignorance filled crap that you've been spewing on here.

Your cats and I thank you!

MOTF!



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 03:59 PM
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I hope you're not generalizing here. Not all men are like that. Why not give a helping hand? Well first, no good deed goes unpunished. The child's parents were the lesbians. The one that left is supposed to foot the bill for the child's upbringing. I'm all for gay rights, by all mean go right ahead. But you can't choose what you want out of equal rights and what you don't want. It's like the woman's lib movement.

A man and a woman on a date.

-Woman - I can pay for myself. I don't need no man to take care of me.
-Man - Ok. Let's split the bill. Let's go.
-Woman - Ain't you gonna hold the door for me.
-Man -You can pay for your own bill...hold your own door.

I'd actually hold the door but you get my point. Wouldn't date a women's lib chick though
just kidding.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 04:33 PM
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this is exactly why we have official sperm banks. for just such issues.

the guy screwed up and hes paying the price for it. i believe its fair that hes being hounded by child support.

the woman should have known this would happen if they claim benefits. all 3 of them screw up here and they are all paying the price for it.


the government seems to have no issue taking care of everyone all the time. but the people that need the care cant make their own rules then... there is only so much care to go around. not to be wasted on those who dont play fair.
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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by fallow the light

The child belongs to the lesbian couple, not the sperm donor.

The sperm donor would not have had the child if the lesbian couple would have never have asked for it.


That is a very good point.

Do people who think the sperm donor has a legal responsibility to support the child also agree that he has a right to fight for custody of the child?

By the same logic, the lesbian partner who has since left the biological mother and apparently has no legal obligation to support the child should consequently have no right to fight for custody?



I would argue that the only person responsible for child support is the other lesbian, for it was she that stood in place as a parent.

I must admit, I find it kind of funny a gay guy being forced to pay child support.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by windword
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If you want to experiment with an alternative lifestyle, go for it. Just don't bring a kid into your experiment like that. that's pretty f'ed up if you ask me.


Heterosexual couples break up all the time.


What's your point?

This wasn't your typical situation so comparing it with something typical doesn't give your comparison any weight.

In other words, follow the conversation.




posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 08:23 PM
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Dear needlenight,

If he did not want to have kids, why did he donate sperm so that children could be born from his genes? I don't donate sperm to create children, I don't think anyone has to, it is a choice.




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