Man Possesed by a Gay Demon, page 5

reply to post by dashen

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Amazing.

A "spirit of anger" - which presumably is meant to be a denizen of Hell (the repository of all things nasty) - that doesn't swear.

Fail. Epic.

reply to post by Renegade2283

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Ya I hear what you're saying about the era and what might have gone on back then. I don't know, the way I look at it is as a human one of the fundimental questions you can choose to ask the universe is "where did all this come from?". Most just ignore it. That's everyones choice. But I think it's important to figure it out. And I think the knowledge and understanding of it all has been made readily available to anyone who seeks it out. In regard to Jesus, main stream Christians believe he was God in human form. So if you pray to Jesus you're praying to God. 1/3rd of the trinity. Ya well I've met all kinds of Christians. I'm probably the most wacked out of all of them. Most I find are way to naive. Most are just as brainwashed as everyone else. They believe in the spirit, meanwhile remaining brainwashed in the typical propaganda of our society. It's a really bizarre situation to be in. I mean I was like that too at one time. But at least you have the spirit to either guide you through as lot of the BS in life and or remove it and or protect you from it. But I think the idea scenario in life is when you know 2 things:

1) You know "the spiritual", so you know God, you have a relationship with him. Your in his good books, good graces, enjoy his blessings, wisdom, protection and are a Christian so you've basically defeated death. Death has no hold on you anymore as there's nothing to fear anymore. This is the most important thing in life I believe. Nothing else matters if you got this.

2) You snap out of the standard north american brainwashing that keeps people trapped in this zombie like state. That's why I like this forum because people on here are actually awake, even if they don't have all the pieces of the puzzle at least they've snapped out of the lies and psychosis of MSM and TPTB that people grow up believeing in.

But the way I look at it is if you know both of those, you're at the beginning of wisdom as to how this whole universe is set up, what it's all about, where you fit in, where you came from and are going later. It all starts to make good sense. But then also I guess everyone is different and unique. I mean my ways of thinking are obviously much different than yours and everyone elses. So I mean it would sort of apply slightly differently to everyone. Anyway, I'm just rambling now, but that's kinda how I think about life. But again that's just me, it takes all types for the universe to work. From the satanist to the christian fundamentalist, from the bum to the president. yaa

reply to post by dashen

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forget the spirt of anger, it looks like the spirit of adolf hitler enters the crowd at 0.44. before you know it the whole congregation are giving nazi salutes. Quick someone sue their asses.

reply to post by AllOutOfBubbleGum

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I like how the "spirit of anger" politely waits for the preacher to pass the microphone before going "GGGRRR".

You'd think an angry spirit might swear a bit more, I heard more bad language at an under 11's soccer tournament from the players and their mothers..

reply to post by r2d246

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I see, and I value your opinion.

However, why must I associate with organized religion? I believe that the bible (at least the new testament) was just the old form of MSM that was used to control people and incite hatred for those who do not believe. As I understand it, the new testament was written by a bunch of aristocratic Romans during The Council Of Nicea.

These are my reasons I have for doubting god as he is described by Christians and Catholics:

1.) Why does it just so happen that all the religions that existed before Christianity believed in multiple gods? I believe that they narrowed it down to one god because it was easier to control people with. Back when there were multiple gods, people could just turn to another if they didn't like the rules and teachings of the one they were currently following. I think TPTB of the time saw this as a flaw in their way of manipulation, so they limited it to one god so people would be forced to follow the laws of that god.

2.) Why do many religions that exist before Christianity have many elements that are present in the bible? The basic story of Jesus for example, is a reiteration of many passed deities of former religions, just look into Ra of the Egyptians and you will find many similarities. At first I thought that these were lies perpetrated by people wanting to dismiss Christianity, until I looked up all of the current Sumerian stories from an entirely unbiased source. When I began to read I was astonished to find many stories present in the bible, originally existed in the Sumerian religion, the stories of Genesis and Moses to name a few. It was just way too coincidental to dismiss.

3.) It seems that many want to believe in the story presented in the bible because it gives people the belief that they will have eternal life in an afterlife. And to achieve this, all they have to do is accept Jesus as their savior. They don't have to preform all of the constituents that the Egyptian religion required to reach the afterlife. I think it kinda falls back on to people believing what they want to believe. Not to say that it didn't help to believe in an afterlife, it helped people move on with there life because they were not constantly focusing on the fear of death. However, many of the religions also incited hatred toward those who didn't believe in there religion, or on people their religion told them were evil.

4.) Reincarnation just seems much more likely, Since everything that I observe or that others have observed is a cycle, then why wouldn't life itself be a cycle? What if, when you die, your soul passes into the body of another being? And you have no memory of your past life (maybe some do) so you have no way to know for sure. Other than that I have no specific opinion (like what you become is based on how "good" you were in your life).

Once again, thank you for maintaining a calm discussion based on the premise of progressing the knowledge of us both.

Edit: Mods, I am sorry if this seems a bit off topic, but this is "conspiracies in religion" and I find it necessary to carry on this conversation to further my point as to why someone would perform what was done in the OP's video. Please do not remove this because I kinda put a little time into properly typing that out. Thanks.

Originally posted by Renegade2283
reply to post by r2d246

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I see, and I value your opinion.

However, why must I associate with organized religion? I believe that the bible (at least the new testament) was just the old form of MSM that was used to control people and incite hatred for those who do not believe. As I understand it, the new testament was written by a bunch of aristocratic Romans during The Council Of Nicea.

These are my reasons I have for doubting god as he is described by Christians and Catholics:

1.) Why does it just so happen that all the religions that existed before Christianity believed in multiple gods? I believe that they narrowed it down to one god because it was easier to control people with. Back when there were multiple gods, people could just turn to another if they didnt like the rules and teachings of the one they were currently following. I think TPTB of the time saw this as a flaw in their way of manipulation, so they limited to one god so people would be forced to follow the laws of that god.

2.) Why do many religions that exist before Christianity have many elements that are present in the bible. The basic story of Jesus for example, is a reiteration of many passed deities of former religions, just look into Ra of the Egyptians and you will find many similarities. At first I thought that these were lies perpetrated by people wanting to dismiss Christianity, until I looked up all of the current Sumerian stories from an entirely unbiased source. When I began to read I was astonished to find many stories present in the bible, originally existed in the Sumerian religion, the stories of Genesis and Moses to name a few. It was just way too coincidental to dismiss.

3.) It seems that many want to believe in the story presented in the bible because it gives people the belief that they will have eternal life in an afterlife. And to achieve this, all they have to do is accept Jesus as their savior. They dont have to preform all of the constituents that the Egyptian religion required to reach the afterlife. I think it kinda falls back on to people believing what they want to believe. Not to say that it didnt help to believe in an afterlife, it helped people move on with there life because they were not constantly focusing on the fear of death. However, many of the religions also incited hatred toward those who didnt believe in there religion, or on people their religion told them were evil.

4.) Reincarnation just seems much more likely, Since everything that I observe or that others have observed is a cycle, then why wouldnt life itself be a cycle? What if, when you die, your soul passes into the body of another being? And you have no memory of your past life (maybe some do) so you have no way to know for sure. Other than that I have no specific opinion (like what you become is based on how "good" you were in your life).

Once again, thank you for maintaining a calm discussion based on the premise of progressing the knowledge of us both.

aristocratic Romans during The Council Of Nicea. ..... Ya I've heard that one too. I understand the whole idea. But it could be they just wanted to only add the books there where the more credible, the most inspired, to create a well organized set of books that would easily explain the whole concept to a newbie. Even if there idea was to use it to control people who's to say God didn't use that event as a way to create his book. What they maybe wanted to use to enslave ended up being the greatest form of liberty the world has ever seen.

1) ya we have examples of that in modern times. It's practiced in India, tons of Gods. Monkeys and cows and rats are well fed and cared for while there children starve, because that rat is a God. Better to feed the rat than there own kids. I want to know who created the atom not he rat.

2) Satan mimics everything God does, that's maybe why there's similarities. But I'm not really sure.

3) who knows

4) Reincar has too many holes. Like who decides who comes back as what? Who governs all of that? Who made up all those laws and principles to govern the universe? And If people were reliving new lives then there's far more people being born now than are dying thus the population explosion, so if I understand that correctly that means that the math wouldn't make sense.

These debats have happened a gazillion times though for hundreds of years. They don't accomplish much anyway. I'm sure we can agree on that. Everyone's got to figure it out for themselves. Like a roulette table. You bet on the one that you think will win and has the best chance.

reply to post by BO XIAN

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Some in every one of my classes for the last 30 years. Some clients. Some friends and relatives. Some fellow church members.

And you do what...try to exorcise them?

I'm astonished that anyone would come to a "class" being taught by someone peddling superstition and Bible-flames. Who also claims to be a "psychologist." Wow.
Very surprising. Except that "pyschologists" by nature consider themselves to have the authority to CURE people. Social workers simply work as a partner for change. It's not your place to "judge" people. As a helper, your job is to help people find their own way. NOT IMPOSE YOUR VALUES ON THEM.

reply to post by detachedindividual

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Y'all's seemingly willfully blind biases are screaming . . .

caps.net...

There have been a number of conferences with very professional papers presented regarding demonic possession.

BTW, Denial of reality does nothing to remove the reality.

It may be difficult for some Non-Christians to walk and chew gum at the same time.

However, most Christian psychologists do quite well at managing to be both Christians AND psychodlogists

IN THEIR PRACTICE of Christian Psychology.

World views matter.
Cosmology matters.
Beliefs matter.

One size does NOT fit all.

Some thing ARE RIGHT and some things ARE WRONG.

Some things result in more life and eternal Life.
Some things result in more death and eternal Death.

Of course demonic forces are delighted when folks think they don't exist. Makes their tasks far easier.

Originally posted by r2d246
reply to post by Renegade2283

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Ya I hear what you're saying about the era and what might have gone on back then. I don't know, the way I look at it is as a human one of the fundimental questions you can choose to ask the universe is "where did all this come from?". Most just ignore it. That's everyones choice. But I think it's important to figure it out. And I think the knowledge and understanding of it all has been made readily available to anyone who seeks it out. In regard to Jesus, main stream Christians believe he was God in human form. So if you pray to Jesus you're praying to God. 1/3rd of the trinity. Ya well I've met all kinds of Christians. I'm probably the most wacked out of all of them. Most I find are way to naive. Most are just as brainwashed as everyone else. They believe in the spirit, meanwhile remaining brainwashed in the typical propaganda of our society. It's a really bizarre situation to be in. I mean I was like that too at one time. But at least you have the spirit to either guide you through as lot of the BS in life and or remove it and or protect you from it. But I think the idea scenario in life is when you know 2 things:

1) You know "the spiritual", so you know God, you have a relationship with him. Your in his good books, good graces, enjoy his blessings, wisdom, protection and are a Christian so you've basically defeated death. Death has no hold on you anymore as there's nothing to fear anymore. This is the most important thing in life I believe. Nothing else matters if you got this.

2) You snap out of the standard north american brainwashing that keeps people trapped in this zombie like state. That's why I like this forum because people on here are actually awake, even if they don't have all the pieces of the puzzle at least they've snapped out of the lies and psychosis of MSM and TPTB that people grow up believeing in.

But the way I look at it is if you know both of those, you're at the beginning of wisdom as to how this whole universe is set up, what it's all about, where you fit in, where you came from and are going later. It all starts to make good sense. But then also I guess everyone is different and unique. I mean my ways of thinking are obviously much different than yours and everyone elses. So I mean it would sort of apply slightly differently to everyone. Anyway, I'm just rambling now, but that's kinda how I think about life. But again that's just me, it takes all types for the universe to work. From the satanist to the christian fundamentalist, from the bum to the president. yaa

edit on 30-10-2012 by r2d246 because: (no reason given)

Very nice post. I agree with pretty much everything you said!!!

reply to post by r2d246

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I haven't followed Bob Larson closely. He has a good reputation. He may be overboard around the edges occasionally but I think he's basically Biblical and responsible and balanced.

My cousin got his extensive training from Bob Larson and has done a good work from it. Certainly he highly respects Bob Larson, as does my cousin's wife.

reply to post by wildtimes

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Your assumptions are showing.

AS far as I can recall . . . every person in my class felt greatly cared for and respected as persons of worth.

I answered questions when asked, about my personal perspectives, briefly.

The topic was the chapter for the week and whatever else related to psychology they wanted to ask from their daily lives.

My student ratings were in the top 1-2%.

. . . in typically rather liberal universities, BTW.
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Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by r2d246

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I haven't followed Bob Larson closely. He has a good reputation. He may be overboard around the edges occasionally but I think he's basically Biblical and responsible and balanced.

My cousin got his extensive training from Bob Larson and has done a good work from it. Certainly he highly respects Bob Larson, as does my cousin's wife.

I tend to agree. I use to listen to his radio show years ago and i didn't feel as if it was all just a con job. And by now if he was a total con I'm sure it would have been exposed.

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